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Thread: New Samples from Migration Era and Early Medieval Moravia

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    For comparison purposes.
    The few dots of L1029 in England sure look like they could represent a map of the Danelaw back in the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    L1029 appears to be more western shifted. It certainly seems to be prevalent among where the West Slavs were located. So I know Joey37 and a few others have mentioned how some of the subclades of L1029 are quite western shifted. YP263 seems to be more east central, along with YP417, which seems to have populated even further to the east. Around the time of the Common Era, it seems as if L1029 could have been in the area that was - at the time - the Przeworsk culture, with maybe YP263 and YP417 in the Zarubinets culture. Maybe these areas were part of the peripheral Kyiv Culture as it formed in the 3rd century?
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    For some further perspective, here is Waldemar's map of L1029 samples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Weighted means that it takes into account that some countries test more than the others (for example these which have big American diaspora).
    The number of samples is divided b the population in the beginnig of the 20th century. I didn't calculate these numbers...
    If you are using the weighted data I provided, the methodology is explained here
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post727624

    Weighting here
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post727638
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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    The few dots of L1029 in England sure look like they could represent a map of the Danelaw back in the day.
    And the TMRCA calculations line up with it to. Stands at 1400 years ago per Yfull (600AD).

    Of course, as more samples arrive we’ll be able to say that with more certainty… currently there are not many. In the event TMRCA ends up getting pushed further back, and if the aDNA shows L1029 west of the Vistula/along the Baltic coast prior to the Slavic migrations, then it could be possible earlier migrations brought it there.

    But yeah Danelaw seems most likely at the moment IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
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    M458 deviates from the other two. It goes north in the Western part

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    Quote Originally Posted by leonardo View Post
    L1029 appears to be more western shifted. It certainly seems to be prevalent among where the West Slavs were located. So I know Joey37 and a few others have mentioned how some of the subclades of L1029 are quite western shifted. YP263 seems to be more east central, along with YP417, which seems to have populated even further to the east. Around the time of the Common Era, it seems as if L1029 could have been in the area that was - at the time - the Przeworsk culture, with maybe YP263 and YP417 in the Zarubinets culture. Maybe these areas were part of the peripheral Kyiv Culture as it formed in the 3rd century?
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    I wonder if we could recreate the same L1029 heat map, minus the YP263 and YP417 clades?

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    @Valdemar, why do you keep calling Bastarns Veneti? when sources specifically say those guys were not same thing, and Veneti should be rather found North East from Bastarns...

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    Quote Originally Posted by parastais View Post
    @Valdemar, why do you keep calling Bastarns Veneti? when sources specifically say those guys were not same thing, and Veneti should be rather found North East from Bastarns...
    Are you joking? Bastarnae lived near the Eastern Carpathians, while the Venethi in close proximity to the Vistula (Pliny, Ptolemy, Jordanes).

    Venadi, Sarmatae (with whom the Bastarnae mixed) and Bastarnae (in the Carpathians - "Alpes Bastarnice") are next to each other on the Tabula Peutingeriana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    If you are using the weighted data I provided, the methodology is explained here
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post727624

    Weighting here
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post727638
    This is U152 before weighting.


    And after weighting

    Notice the differences in the British Isles, France and Belgium. Percentage wise we know from modern studies that there is higher concentrations of U152 in eastern France and Belgium than there is in the Isles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Are you joking? Bastarnae lived near the Eastern Carpathians, while the Venethi in close proximity to the Vistula (Pliny, Ptolemy, Jordanes).

    Venadi, Sarmatae (with whom the Bastarnae mixed) and Bastarnae (in the Carpathians - "Alpes Bastarnice") are next to each other on the Tabula Peutingeriana.

    Then you should make your Veneti circle veeery smallish to avoid dangerous Proto-Prague area and not to include Bastars in that picture

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