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Thread: New Samples from Migration Era and Early Medieval Moravia

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    More exact subclade assignment for POH28. R-Y84739

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    I don't see anything strange in the diversity of these Medieval Slavs. You probably remember the Hungarian Szolad samples where you literally have individuals ranging from Scandinavian like to South Italian like. It's obvious there was mixing with Balkan and Roman population as the Slavs came closer to Roman border.
    However it's obvious that most of the samples when you plot em on Vahaduo's G25 PCA end up in the North Slavic cluster so we can assume that the proto-Slavs were north-Slavic like.
    Pity we don't know the exact dating of these early Slavs.
    Most probably the earliest proto-Slavic sample we have until now is the Chernyakhiv MJ19 Legedzine sample. It was dated to mid 4th century AD and was found in Legedzine, close to Kyev. Probably a proto-Slavic woman from the Kyev Culture married for a man from the Chernyakhov Culture.
    Distance to: Aspar_scaled
    0.01995435 35.00% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 65.00% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02156914 40.60% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 + 59.40% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02223177 55.20% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215 + 44.80% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
    0.02300447 61.80% BGR_IA:I5769 + 38.20% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19

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    LIB2, Z187 C->G (1 read) and Y166639/FT2677 C->T (1 read)

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    Are these new coordinates public? If so, could someone share? Thanks!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by leorcooper19 View Post
    Are these new coordinates public? If so, could someone share? Thanks!
    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB39997

    Posted by Davidski on Eurogenes:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-j0...UBJIWFbTx/view

    Code:
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    Migration:POH27,0.126344,0.152329,0.037335,-0.001938,0.030159,-0.001116,0.004935,-0.002769,-0.008795,0.003462,0.00065,0.011989,0.002379,0.006881,-0.009093,-0.002121,0.024512,-0.000127,-0.005405,-0.006628,-0.001872,-0.011252,0.008751,0.001084,-0.002754
    Migration:POH28,0.141141,0.136081,0.087492,0.081719,0.047086,0.027052,0.019976,0.023999,0.010635,-0.01385,-0.001299,-0.014537,0.027502,0.03647,-0.015065,-0.007425,-0.014473,-0.005954,-0.005531,0,-0.007237,-0.004204,0.000616,-0.00964,-0.002275
    Migration:POH36,0.12862,0.132019,0.072407,0.05491,0.055395,0.01004,0.00376,0.006692,0.005727,-0.02278,0.000812,-0.025777,0.005946,0.015138,-0.011672,0.00358,0.014864,-0.006334,0.007919,-0.001876,-0.003619,-0.000247,0.002835,0.000964,0.005389
    Migration:POH40,0.133173,0.137096,0.061094,0.056525,0.046778,0.02259,0.016216,0.004615,-0.000409,-0.023144,-0.014615,-0.002248,0.011596,0.013487,0.009229,0.009679,0.015255,0.002027,0.000126,0.007379,0.001497,-0.00272,0.003328,-0.009037,-0.011376
    Migration:POH41,0.129758,0.128972,0.074293,0.062016,0.033852,0.01757,0.014101,0.013153,0.000205,-0.01877,-0.00682,0.005545,0.013528,0.026286,-0.011129,0.012596,0.00013,-0.001014,0.004274,0.005503,0.001747,-0.001731,0.00912,-0.005543,0.014609
    
    
    Raw
    
    Migration:LIB2,0.0113,0.0143,0.019,0.0196,0.0149,0.0093,0.0025,0.0023,-0.0005,-0.0031,-0.006,0.0017,-0.0045,-0.0059,0.0097,0,-0.0008,-0.0029,-0.0069,0.0129,0.0055,0.0056,-0.0001,0.014,-0.0089
    Migration:LIB3,0.0098,0.0145,0.0045,-0.0038,0.0138,-0.0037,0.0022,-0.0027,0.0056,0.0161,-0.0079,0.0029,-0.01,0.0003,0.0004,-0.0103,-0.004,0.002,-0.0084,-0.0107,-0.0015,-0.0067,-0.0015,0.0081,-0.0016
    Migration:LIB11,0.0102,0.014,0.0139,0.0129,0.015,0.0039,0.0047,0.0005,0,-0.011,0.0013,0.0013,0.0052,0.0121,-0.0042,-0.003,-0.0033,-0.0096,-0.003,-0.0022,0.0013,-0.0063,0.0109,-0.0017,-0.0013
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    Migration:POH40,0.0117,0.0135,0.0162,0.0175,0.0152,0.0081,0.0069,0.002,-0.0002,-0.0127,-0.009,-0.0015,0.0078,0.0098,0.0068,0.0073,0.0117,0.0016,0.0001,0.0059,0.0012,-0.0022,0.0027,-0.0075,-0.0095
    Migration:POH41,0.0114,0.0127,0.0197,0.0192,0.011,0.0063,0.006,0.0057,0.0001,-0.0103,-0.0042,0.0037,0.0091,0.0191,-0.0082,0.0095,0.0001,-0.0008,0.0034,0.0044,0.0014,-0.0014,0.0074,-0.0046,0.0122
    Last edited by Ajeje Brazorf; 04-16-2021 at 11:51 AM.
    [1] "distance%=2.9299"

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    Samples and their coverage

     
    sample_alias read_count base_count
    LIB11 60381650 6158928300
    LIB11 59904527 6110261754
    LIB11 47551846 4850288292
    LIB11 47045529 4798643958
    LIB11 36590476 3732228552
    LIB11 36225012 3694951224
    LIB11 34984247 3568393194
    LIB11 34576432 3526796064
    LIB11 26328724 2685529848
    LIB11 26126585 2664911670
    LIB2 41171198 4199462196
    LIB2 40746536 4156146672
    LIB2 37341702 3808853604
    LIB2 36870283 3760768866
    LIB2 35260447 3596565594
    LIB2 34810084 3550628568
    LIB2 26712058 2724629916
    LIB2 26488959 2701873818
    LIB2 23085804 2354752008
    LIB2 22948964 2340794328
    LIB2 21971976 2241141552
    LIB2 21775029 2221052958
    LIB3 47024674 4796516748
    LIB3 46661173 4759439646
    LIB3 44023785 4490426070
    LIB3 43591145 4446296790
    LIB3 42212252 4305649704
    LIB3 41762807 4259806314
    LIB3 35049457 3575044614
    LIB3 34608858 3530103516
    LIB3 32768237 3342360174
    LIB3 32391289 3303911478
    LIB3 17572144 1792358688
    LIB3 17401707 1774974114
    POH11 67792252 6914809704
    POH11 67084185 6842586870
    POH11 66531637 6786226974
    POH11 66011731 6733196562
    POH11 61492503 6272235306
    POH11 60932789 6215144478
    POH11 52875768 5393328336
    POH11 52871468 5392889736
    POH11 52461395 5351062290
    POH11 52440770 5348958540
    POH11 51255427 5228053554
    POH11 50790131 5180593362
    POH13 104532061 10662270222
    POH13 103633398 10570606596
    POH13 103070334 10513174068
    POH13 102461336 10451056272
    POH13 98930638 10090925076
    POH13 97956260 9991538520
    POH13 95485441 9739514982
    POH13 94510742 9640095684
    POH13 93564537 9543582774
    POH13 92861940 9471917880
    POH13 89842168 9163901136
    POH13 89196770 9098070540
    POH27 53290633 5435644566
    POH27 52730507 5378511714
    POH27 52686891 5374062882
    POH27 52151270 5319429540
    POH27 42269709 4311510318
    POH27 42001534 4284156468
    POH27 36793314 3752918028
    POH27 36471428 3720085656
    POH27 34465373 3515468046
    POH27 33952588 3463163976
    POH27 31300504 3192651408
    POH27 30869959 3148735818
    POH28 86277079 8800262058
    POH28 85640906 8735372412
    POH28 84283900 8596957800
    POH28 83812854 8548911108
    POH28 82021683 8366211666
    POH28 81556805 8318794110
    POH28 72621687 7407412074
    POH28 72128604 7357117608
    POH28 60712543 6192679386
    POH28 60272293 6147773886
    POH28 57806526 5896265652
    POH28 57475638 5862515076
    POH3 78308866 7987504332
    POH3 77811083 7936730466
    POH3 76936304 7847503008
    POH3 76565148 7809645096
    POH3 76558344 7808951088
    POH3 75820357 7733676414
    POH3 74724900 7621939800
    POH3 74189833 7567362966
    POH3 72517108 7396745016
    POH3 71905891 7334400882
    POH3 61151750 6237478500
    POH3 60882491 6210014082
    POH36 48230205 4919480910
    POH36 47903763 4886183826
    POH36 46481096 4741071792
    POH36 45979015 4689859530
    POH36 38839370 3961615740
    POH36 38451247 3922027194
    POH36 18108551 1847072202
    POH36 17973833 1833330966
    POH36 16804064 1714014528
    POH36 16685614 1701932628
    POH36 12453742 1270281684
    POH36 12350481 1259749062
    POH40 45561590 4647282180
    POH40 45081380 4598300760
    POH40 40357098 4116423996
    POH40 40024506 4082499612
    POH40 34670964 3536438328
    POH40 34297396 3498334392
    POH40 23057562 2351871324
    POH40 22883030 2334069060
    POH40 18444145 1881302790
    POH40 18282761 1864841622
    POH40 18034671 1839536442
    POH40 17949227 1830821154
    POH41 45492719 4640257338
    POH41 45153205 4605626910
    POH41 43364773 4423206846
    POH41 43151206 4401423012
    POH41 42865878 4372319556
    POH41 42709107 4356328914
    POH41 28647428 2922037656
    POH41 28385966 2895368532
    POH41 24939572 2543836344
    POH41 24682972 2517663144
    POH41 18339145 1870592790
    POH41 18244158 1860904116
    POH44 296566334 30249766068
    POH44 293956766 29983590132
    POH44 245262210 25016745420
    POH44 242926601 24778513302
    POH44 171541435 17497226370
    POH44 170385420 17379312840
    POH44 161506523 16473665346
    POH44 160992357 16421220414
    POH44 148205060 15116916120
    POH44 147255118 15020022036
    POH44 146956637 14989576974
    POH44 146585933 14951765166
    [1] "distance%=2.9299"

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    GANJ_DAREH,10.8
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    WHG,0.6

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    Any R-M458/L1029/L260/YP515 found??

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  15. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    I don't see anything strange in the diversity of these Medieval Slavs. You probably remember the Hungarian Szolad samples where you literally have individuals ranging from Scandinavian like to South Italian like. It's obvious there was mixing with Balkan and Roman population as the Slavs came closer to Roman border.
    However it's obvious that most of the samples when you plot em on Vahaduo's G25 PCA end up in the North Slavic cluster so we can assume that the proto-Slavs were north-Slavic like.
    Pity we don't know the exact dating of these early Slavs.
    Most probably the earliest proto-Slavic sample we have until now is the Chernyakhiv MJ19 Legedzine sample. It was dated to mid 4th century AD and was found in Legedzine, close to Kyev. Probably a proto-Slavic woman from the Kyev Culture married for a man from the Chernyakhov Culture.
    Maybe diversity of the samples is expected considering an explanation in the book http://mail.rastko.rs/cms/files/books/5c47d0ce439e8.pdf on page 300:
    Early medieval houses sometimes had a dug-in storage
    and on the site Rozotky seven findings of that feature were discovered. The
    entrance is most of the time a narrow, dug-out passage. Houses sometimes
    had a storage dug on the sides or into the floor. This space was used as a small
    cellar with vessels for storage of grain foods. In Rozotky the houses were
    sometimes arranged one next to another, in line but this is not a rule. Very
    rarely were they arranged in a semicircle, like on the sites of Breclav-Pohansko
    and Dunaujvaros. It is assumed that the settlement was inhabited by several
    groups, communities of different origins, which is indicated by the position of
    ovens and the sporadic presence of dug-in storage jars.
    Is there any info about dating of the samples or it could be anywhere between 6th and 10th century?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    I'm not sure, but it is kind of funny that you see almost every variety of Slavic profile in this set. Everything from what is presumably "original Slavic" (the Lithuanian-like samples) to West Slavic-like samples to South Slavic-like samples. The whole gamut is represented here. Maybe we'll see the same heterogeneity in the Balkans.
    If these Baltic speaking Lithuanians, according by scientists and the official classification of this language are the " original Slavs", which are the Baltic ones?
    Do you realize the language group in question consist two different branches, one Baltic and another very different with of course a distinct name- Slavic? Do you have any clue and explanation of this discrepancy with the linguistics and history compared to the data of genetics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    I don't see anything strange in the diversity of these Medieval Slavs. You probably remember the Hungarian Szolad samples where you literally have individuals ranging from Scandinavian like to South Italian like. It's obvious there was mixing with Balkan and Roman population as the Slavs came closer to Roman border.
    However it's obvious that most of the samples when you plot em on Vahaduo's G25 PCA end up in the North Slavic cluster so we can assume that the proto-Slavs were north-Slavic like.
    Pity we don't know the exact dating of these early Slavs.
    Most probably the earliest proto-Slavic sample we have until now is the Chernyakhiv MJ19 Legedzine sample. It was dated to mid 4th century AD and was found in Legedzine, close to Kyev. Probably a proto-Slavic woman from the Kyev Culture married for a man from the Chernyakhov Culture.
    What it would be Chernyakhov Culture's autosomal?

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