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    Quote Originally Posted by Uka View Post
    What's that supposed to mean?
    Viking Stories is a YT channel created by one of the authors on the Vikings paper (Sturla Ellingvåg). This is a short description of the next video.

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    "I will also share some DNA theories on the intriguing DNA similarities between early Scandinavians [Goths?] and the South Slavs who ended up in the Balkans."????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    "I will also share some DNA theories on the intriguing DNA similarities between early Scandinavians and the South Slavs who ended up in the Balkans."????
    That's Klis fortress: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_of_Klis

    He must be kidding about the DNA similarities. (We'll wait and see what's going on)

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    Probably just a pseudosciebtific video. Unless he backs up what he says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uka View Post
    Probably just a pseudosciebtific video. Unless he backs up what he says.
    He does interesting stuff and I like him, but sometimes he appears to be a little bit confused. However, in this case it depends on what he actually means, because there were early Vikings which appeared to have been Southern Slavic like. So there definitely were some old connections. Depends on what he makes out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    "I will also share some DNA theories on the intriguing DNA similarities between early Scandinavians and the South Slavs who ended up in the Balkans."????
    Probably is going to mention that I1 exists in the Balkans too. Shocker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    Probably is going to mention that I1 exists in the Balkans too. Shocker
    Good tip, what I forgot to write before is that there was a constant forth and back from the Germanic world. So even Germanics from the Balkans came back to the North and brought new Northern elements with them if going back South again. It was really a European-wide network through which there was constant communication and migration. Its not like a Germanic tribe departed and forgot where it came from or where its relatives lived. Not at all. They kept the relations up for quite some time, actually up to Christian and Feudal states, which really broke it, because that was the heathen Germanic world. The Viking world was like a crippled version, because all the connections to the now Christian-Feudal Germanics were broken down and this was part of the Viking Age and its conflicts, between the heathen world of the Scandinavians, Balts and Slavs on the one hand, and the Christian states on the other.

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    Some swords in Croatia might have been made in Viking workshops:

    The paper discusses the spatial, archaeological and possible historical circumstances as well as the chronological and workshop origins of the newly found early medieval K-type sword in Koljane, central Dalmatia. In concert with a preliminary discussion of fifteen such swords in Croatia and of about 50 specimens of the same weapon found elsewhere in Europe (seven in Ireland, 17 in Norway and 15 in various other countries, mainly of central Europe), it is hypothesised that it might have been made in Nordic (Viking) workshops in the second half of the 8 th century. It is also correlated with a historical review of migratory movements of diverse warlike groups, including the Croats, in the last years of that century. In a wider narrative context, as displayed and elaborated during the preparations for and production of the exhibition Croats and Carolingians, these migratory movements, which brought the Croats from the area of central and eastern Europe to the space in the mountainous hinterland of the eastern coast of the Adriatic, are related to the contemporaneous complex relations between the two empires, the Byzantine and the Carolingian.

    https://hrcak.srce.hr/file/327619

    AFAIK, there are no Y-DNA from these sites.

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    This is from 2017:

    "The inscription 'Skania inferior' on stone from Bribirska glavica confirms connection of the Vikings and Dalmatia"

    The article in Croatian daily newspapers Slobodna Dalmacija the about results of the Macquarie University archaeological excavations in Croatia, which uncovered connections between Dalmatia and the Viking world in the early medieval times.

    Source: https://researchers.mq.edu.au/en/cli...vr%C4%91uje-ve

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonomyro View Post
    This is from 2017:
    "The inscription 'Skania inferior' on stone from Bribirska glavica confirms connection of the Vikings and Dalmatia"

    The article in Croatian daily newspapers Slobodna Dalmacija the about results of the Macquarie University archaeological excavations in Croatia, which uncovered connections between Dalmatia and the Viking world in the early medieval times.

    Source: https://researchers.mq.edu.au/en/cli...vr%C4%91uje-ve
    Translation of this article in Sloodna Dalmacija from Croatian via Google:

    Exactly such information was brought by that stone from the second half of the 8th or the first half of the 9th century on which, among other things, SKANIA INFERIOR is written, which is a toponym from distant Scandinavia or two triangular bowls, salt pans made of horn, with which, with great confidence it has been established that the ancient homeland was Ireland because they are characteristic of this part of the world. Where did the name of the Viking toponym or Irish masterpieces come from on this hill not far from Skradin, at the crossroads of Ravni kotari, Bukovica and Pokrčje, where people lived, fought and ruled for three thousand years?
    The organizers of the scientific conference and the last stage in archaeological research, which dates back to 1895 and the legendary Fr. Luja Marun, are the Split Museum of Croatian Archaeological Monuments, the Museum of Sibenik, Masquare Univesty from Sydney, Australia and the Norwegian School of Theology from Oslo.
    A stone with an inscription mentioning Scania was found under the paving of today's church of St. Joachim and Anna, in the same place where the fragment with the name of the Croatian Prince Branimir was found, about which our paper has already reported, and there were also mentioned objects from Ireland.

    - This inscription is very important because it is the first time that the connection between the Vikings and Dalmatia is revealed - prof. Dr. Victor Ghica from the Norwegian Faculty of Theology, otherwise of Romanian origin. - Something like this has not been known so far, but it must be admitted that no one has tried to deal with it so far. Scandinavian science is familiar with the Vikings' contacts with the Mediterranean, and the stay of individuals in Constantinople and Italy at the time this inscription was created. This inscription is older than the one Branimir found here - says Dr. Ghica.
    Mentioned century, it should be recalled, is the time of Carolingian domination over Europe, which, in contrast to the model of St. Patrick, had their own specific and effective way of spreading Christianity among the peoples just settling across Europe. The Vikings, however, resisted accepting Christianity for a long time, so that it was not rooted in Scandinavia and Denmark until the 12th century. An inscription from Bribirska glavica says that two people connected with Scandia were buried here inside the church, ie according to a Christian rite three centuries earlier.
    - It has been proven that smaller Christian communities existed at that time in southern Denmark, and especially in the city of Hedeby. This was the result of the work of individual missionaries, and the 12th century was a time when Christianity was embraced by the elite, so the baptism of the Vikings was associated with that time. The document from Bribirska glavica is very important, because it sheds new light on the relations between the Vikings and Christianity - says Dr. Ghica.
    Of course, we had to ask him for his opinion on the way in which the salt pans from Ireland reached Bribirska glavica, especially since some local experts put forward the thesis that these objects came here together with the Croats who at that time suppressed the Avars and inhabited these areas. However, Dr. Ghica is not a supporter of such assumptions, but says that they probably went through Central Europe along the border of the Frankish state from the Baltic area, whose inhabitants at the time had contacts with Ireland.
     
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