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Thread: New Samples from Migration Era and Early Medieval Moravia

  1. #411
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waldemar View Post
    Distance to: Kowalewko_Goths_Male:2
    0.04378439 Swedish
    0.04819853 Icelandic
    0.04861532 Danish

    Distance to: Kowalewko_Goths_Male:7
    0.04247837 Swedish
    0.04537284 Danish
    0.04678140 Icelandic

    Distance to: Kowalewko_Goths_Male:8
    0.04140696 Icelandic
    0.04235455 Swedish
    0.04306556 Danish

    Distance to: Kowalewko_Goths_Male:9
    0.04865652 Swedish
    0.05014288 Norwegian
    0.05075888 Icelandic

    Distance to: Kowalewko_Goths_Male:12
    0.04835482 Swedish
    0.04873335 Dutch
    0.04934223 Danish

    Distance to: Breclav_Suebi:LIB2 (or Gothic?)
    0.03102445 Danish
    0.03209491 Swedish

    0.03235578 Icelandic

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    Distance to: Poprad_VandalA119
    0.02770791 Dutch
    0.02795714 German
    0.03032380 Danish

    Distance to: Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ12
    0.02568458 Danish
    0.02591888 German
    0.02767236 Swedish

    Distance to: Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ13
    0.02456934 Danish
    0.02604314 Norwegian
    0.02609560 Icelandic

    Distance to: Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ15
    0.03689439 Norwegian
    0.03900287 Dutch
    0.04101741 Shetlandic

    Distance to: Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ22
    0.02865820 Danish
    0.02936321 Dutch

    0.03077981 Swedish

    Distance to: Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ24
    0.02880318 German
    0.03228432 Dutch
    0.03234315 Welsh

    Distance to: Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ7
    0.01877011 Icelandic
    0.01918060 Danish
    0.01964676 Norwegian
    Just for fun, mostly I'm slightly outnumbered, except for one: LIB2 Finn 0.0298 vs Danish 0.0310

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  3. #412
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    And my results...

    Distance to: Waldemar_scaled
    0.03114517 Slavic_I-Y3120:Sunghir6
    0.03196340 Slavic_R-L1029:VK309
    0.03383967 Slavic_R-L1029:VK541
    0.03565494 Slavic_R-L1029:KRA001
    0.03641419 Slavic_R-L1029:VK139
    0.03762802 Slavic_I-Y3120:KRA008
    0.03765878 Slavic_I-Y3120:POH41
    0.03871677 Slavic_R-L1029_o:VK160
    0.03997717 Slavic_I-Y3120:POH44
    0.04176005 Slavic_I-Y3120:POH36
    0.04448334 Slavic_R-L1029:KRA003
    0.04617563 Slavic_I-Y3120:VK542
    0.04877934 Slavic_R-L260:VK453
    0.04945292 Slavic_R-L260:VK494
    0.06519805 Slavic_I-Y3120_o:VK210
    0.06564936 Breclav_Suebi:LIB2
    0.06647199 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ12
    0.06911488 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ24
    0.06934991 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ22
    0.06960898 Poprad_Vandal:DA119
    0.07010619 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ7
    0.07085206 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ13
    0.07331981 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:8
    0.07368892 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:2
    0.07719121 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:7

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    Mine:
    Distance to: Riverman_scaled
    0.03807352 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ24
    0.03839115 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1_o:SZ14
    0.03863208 Poprad_VandalA119
    0.04183032 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ12
    0.04737377 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ22
    0.04751547 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ13
    0.04781526 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ7
    0.05453762 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ15
    0.05608849 Slavic_I-Y3120:VK542
    0.05788212 Breclav_Suebi:LIB2
    0.05828909 Slavic_R-L1029:VK541
    0.06342400 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:12
    0.06348391 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:8
    0.06520749 Slavic_I-Y3120OH36
    0.06610650 Slavic_I-Y3120:KRA008
    0.06677472 Slavic_R-L1029:VK309
    0.06690830 Slavic_I-Y3120_o:VK210
    0.06725501 Slavic_I-Y3120OH41
    0.06835056 Slavic_I-Y3120:Sunghir6
    0.07319416 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:7
    0.07599788 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:2
    0.07677288 Slavic_R-L1029:KRA001
    0.07764875 Slavic_R-L260:VK453
    0.07800446 Slavic_I-Y3120OH44
    0.07899737 Slavic_R-L1029:KRA003
    I'm closer to some of the admixed Szolad samples (SZ2+SZ3 kindred), SZ23 is among the closest matches I have of all ancients - No. 3. My tops from the Lombard cemeteries:

    Distance to: Riverman_scaled
    0.02674371 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ23
    0.02797469 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL63
    0.02877199 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ18
    0.02976201 HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ42
    Last edited by Riverman; 05-04-2021 at 03:18 PM.

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    Target: Alain:E21436
    Distance: 1.9058% / 0.01905837
    40.4 Slavic_I-Y3120
    24.6 Slavic_R-L260
    23.0 Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    6.6 Slavic_R-L1029
    5.4 Breclav_Suebi



    Target: Alain_dad:E27758
    Distance: 1.9121% / 0.01912115
    59.0 Slavic_R-L1029
    33.4 Slavic_I-Y3120
    4.0 Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    2.6 Slavic_R-L1029_o
    1.0 Slavic_R-L260



    Target: Alain_mom
    Distance: 1.7168% / 0.01716780
    30.2 Slavic_R-L1029
    30.0 Slavic_I-Y3120
    17.6 Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    6.0 Slavic_I-Y3120_o
    5.4 Breclav_Suebi
    5.4 Poprad_Vandal
    5.4 Slavic_R-L260
    Alain Dad
    Y-DNA R1a-Y33 Eastern Corderd Ware Culture Baltoslavic/ old Pruzzen
    H76 czech Republic/England (Celtic tribes ?) W3a1d Yamnaya Culture, Samara /Pontic steppe
    Scytho-sarmatian.

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    My:
    Polish: 27.8%
    German: 21.9%
    Greek_Central_Macedonia: 20.0%
    Italian_Bergamo: 17.4%
    Russian_Voronez: 10.4%
    Mari: 2%
    Moldovan: 0.2%
    Italian_Northeast: 0.2%
    Other: 0.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    If we look at many of the PCAs showing classic Germanic and Slavic ancestry plotted, what always caught my eye is the hole in between. And that's kind of "unnatural", because it just shows that Slavs were no direct neighbours of the Germanics. They are related, but there was "something in between". And these people in between, the Eastern Urnfield, especially Lusatian and related people, might either have contributed a significant amount, or very little to the succeeding people. It also depends on their own profile, how much they could have contributed. But the probability is just relatively high they in that triangle of Germanic - Slavic - Balkan and somewhere in between Germanics and Slavs. Like what else is supposed to have been in between these two. Some of the individuals from Tollense might show an ancestry somehow related, but not necessarily fitting at all.
    Or maybe the "germanic" genes got there earlier than we normally assume?


    Distance to: SVK_Poprad_MA: DA119
    0.01899831 Norwegian
    0.01966665 Dutch
    0.02003090 German
    0.02053537 Danish
    0.02076209 Afrikaner
    0.02121585 Belgian
    0.02164716 Shetlandic
    0.02177199 Welsh
    0.02229118 French_Brittany
    0.02235866 French_Paris


    Distance to: SVK_EBA:S11953
    0.03289519 Norwegian
    0.03317959 Swedish
    0.03351391 Danish
    0.03410059 German
    0.03494213 Dutch
    0.03507155 Afrikaner
    0.03546189 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03564161 Welsh
    0.03575860 Slovakian
    0.03593730 Icelandic
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Or maybe the "germanic" genes got there earlier than we normally assume?


    Distance to: SVK_Poprad_MA: DA119
    0.01899831 Norwegian
    0.01966665 Dutch
    0.02003090 German
    0.02053537 Danish
    0.02076209 Afrikaner
    0.02121585 Belgian
    0.02164716 Shetlandic
    0.02177199 Welsh
    0.02229118 French_Brittany
    0.02235866 French_Paris


    Distance to: SVK_EBA:S11953
    0.03289519 Norwegian
    0.03317959 Swedish
    0.03351391 Danish
    0.03410059 German
    0.03494213 Dutch
    0.03507155 Afrikaner
    0.03546189 French_Pas-de-Calais
    0.03564161 Welsh
    0.03575860 Slovakian
    0.03593730 Icelandic
    Actually I think that the Nordic Bronze Age was the result of a massive shift from Unetice to the North West. So yes, in a way that might be true. Another question is whether the Unetice ancestry survived the onslaught through the later ages, up to the Iron Age, which I think is actually more doubtful in comparison.

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    mtDNA (M)
    HV0-T195C!

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    Code:
    Target: ph2ter_scaled
    Distance: 1.9504% / 0.01950358
    62.2	Slavic_I-Y3120
    17.0	Poprad_Vandal
    15.8	Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    4.8	Slavic_I-Y3120_o
    0.2	Slavic_R-L1029
    
    
    With Longobards Kindred1:
    Target: ph2ter_scaled
    Distance: 1.6279% / 0.01627868
    51.6	Slavic_I-Y3120
    17.6	Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1_o
    13.0	Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1
    6.6	Slavic_R-L1029
    6.4	Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    3.6	Slavic_R-L260
    1.2	Slavic_I-Y3120_o
    
    Distance to:	ph2ter_scaled
    0.03262038	Slavic_I-Y3120:VK542
    0.03528777	Slavic_R-L1029:VK541
    0.03728097	Slavic_I-Y3120:Sunghir6
    0.04341269	Slavic_I-Y3120:POH41
    0.04360508	Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ12
    0.04434421	Slavic_R-L1029:VK309
    0.04657906	Slavic_I-Y3120:KRA008
    0.04818216	Slavic_I-Y3120:POH36
    0.04831202	Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ24
    0.05107245	Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ22
    0.05116118	Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ7
    0.05127763	Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ13
    0.05129619	Slavic_R-L1029:VK139
    0.05251389	Slavic_I-Y3120_o:VK210
    0.05263850	Poprad_Vandal:DA119
    0.05264084	Slavic_R-L260:VK494
    0.05344699	Slavic_R-L1029_o:VK160
    0.05421392	Slavic_R-L1029:KRA001
    0.05619729	Slavic_R-L260:VK453
    0.05645972	Slavic_I-Y3120:POH44
    0.05675356	Breclav_Suebi:LIB2
    0.06011688	Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1_o:SZ14
    0.06101481	Kowalewko_Goths_Male:8
    0.06310243	Slavic_R-L1029:KRA003
    0.06324659	Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ15
     
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    Distance to: Mis_scaled {Słowianin }
    0.03174401 Slavic_R-L1029:VK309
    0.03499050 Slavic_I-Y3120:Sunghir6
    0.03628760 Slavic_R-L1029:VK541
    0.03706621 Slavic_I-Y3120:KRA008
    0.03782922 Slavic_I-Y3120:VK542
    0.03898006 Slavic_I-Y3120OH41
    0.03997383 Slavic_I-Y3120OH36
    0.04132800 Slavic_R-L1029:VK139
    0.04495129 Slavic_R-L1029_o:VK160
    0.04525078 Slavic_R-L1029:KRA001
    0.04824363 Slavic_R-L260:VK494
    0.04826733 Slavic_R-L260:VK453
    0.04874570 Slavic_I-Y3120OH44
    0.04912448 Slavic_R-L1029:KRA003
    0.04946037 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ12
    0.05180539 Poprad_VandalA119
    0.05185185 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ24
    0.05326837 Slavic_I-Y3120_o:VK210
    0.05475686 Breclav_Suebi:LIB2
    0.05479554 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ7
    0.05540166 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ13
    0.05563739 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ22
    0.06399872 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:8
    0.06544340 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:2
    0.06566605 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:7
    0.06625505 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:12
    0.06806816 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1_o:SZ14
    0.06840973 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1:SZ15
    0.07252052 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:9
    Target: Mis_scaled
    Distance: 1.7373% / 0.01737262 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    43.4 Slavic_I-Y3120
    32.8 Slavic_R-L1029
    12.6 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1
    11.2 Poprad_Vandal

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    My results

    Target: Cyryl_scaled
    Distance: 2.0365% / 0.02036494
    60.2 Slavic_R-L1029
    23.0 Slavic_I-Y3120
    8.0 Poprad_Vandal
    6.2 Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    2.6 Slavic_I-Y3120_o


    I added BGR_IA as proxy for pre-Slavic Balkan ancestry to improve distance and results for South Slavic side


    Target: Cyryl_scaled
    Distance: 1.7923% / 0.01792287
    56.4 Slavic_R-L1029
    23.2 Slavic_I-Y3120
    8.8 Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    7.4 BGR_IA
    4.2 Slavic_I-Y3120_o

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    I've added scy192, scy197, scy300, scy305 from Moldova and UKR_Cimmerian_o_MJ12 from the border of Moldova, Romania and Ukraine who are all likely proxies for local Getaes/Dacians/Thracians.


    Target: Dorkymon_23andme+LivingDNA
    Distance: 2.4012% / 0.02401241
    53.8 Slavic_R-L1029
    25.4 Scythian_MDA
    20.8 UKR_Cimmerian_o
    Recent ancestry: 2/4 Central Moldova (Orhei district), 1/4 Southern Moldova (Cahul district), 1/4 Northern Moldova (Briceni district)
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