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    Without adding any other sample as proxy:

    Target: Hazmatnik_scaled
    Distance: 5.1564% / 0.05156427
    36.2 Slavic_I-Y3120
    33.8 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1_o
    30.0 Slavic_R-L1029

    With BGR_EBA


    Target: Hazmatnik_scaled
    Distance: 2.8942% / 0.02894156
    52.2 Slavic_I-Y3120
    37.4 BGR_EBA
    10.4 Slavic_I-Y3120_o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazmatnik View Post
    Without adding any other sample as proxy:

    Target: Hazmatnik_scaled
    Distance: 5.1564% / 0.05156427
    36.2 Slavic_I-Y3120
    33.8 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1_o
    30.0 Slavic_R-L1029

    With BGR_EBA


    Target: Hazmatnik_scaled
    Distance: 2.8942% / 0.02894156
    52.2 Slavic_I-Y3120
    37.4 BGR_EBA
    10.4 Slavic_I-Y3120_o
    This distance is huge. What is missing?

    EBA is too early.
     
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    I don't know, but i usually get higher distances in almost every calculator. Im trying to figure out why for months
    Best fits are with samples from all periods but when targeting just one period distances are pretty high.

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    Try HRV_IA and BGR_IA samples:


    Target: ph2ter_scaled
    Distance: 1.1307% / 0.01130746
    42.6 Slavic_I-Y3120
    14.6 HRV_IA__I3313
    13.6 Slavic_R-L260
    13.4 Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    7.0 Slavic_I-Y3120_o
    5.2 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1
    2.8 BGR_IA__I5769
    0.8 Slavic_R-L1029_o






    Code:
    HRV_IA__I3313,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.01169,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
    BGR_IA__I5769,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
    
    
    DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:ERR4300330,0.12862,0.131003,0.082967,0.075259,0.048624,0.025937,0.00752,0.011999,0.002863,-0.019135,0.002111,-0.008692,0.020218,0.021607,-0.0095,0.009546,0.007953,-0.0019,0.005531,0.008504,-0.011355,0.005688,0.005916,-0.01699,-0.004191
    DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:ERR4300339,0.120652,0.137096,0.071276,0.071706,0.049548,0.01004,0.01081,0.014538,-0.009408,-0.018041,-0.00341,-0.001499,0.003419,0.018717,0.00285,-0.004773,0.003129,-0.002154,0.005154,0.004502,-0.009858,-0.004946,0.008381,-0.007591,0.001796
    DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:ERR4300342,0.130897,0.125926,0.062979,0.063308,0.040623,0.019801,0.00329,0.013846,0.001227,-0.020046,-0.00065,-0.01079,0.016353,0.026148,-0.015065,-0.01538,-0.002738,-0.003547,0.005405,-0.007379,0.000624,0.003462,0.00493,-0.006627,-0.001078
    DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:ERR4300349,0.129758,0.133034,0.082967,0.070737,0.049548,0.026216,0.005405,0.011769,-0.002659,-0.036447,0.003735,-0.01124,0.018285,0.023946,-0.009365,-0.014452,-0.002738,0.001014,-0.001131,0.010755,0.000374,0.001237,-0.001972,-0.009158,0.012214
    DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:ERR4300362,0.132035,0.135065,0.076555,0.06137,0.043085,0.025937,0.00564,0.007384,0.002045,-0.02041,-0.010555,-0.005995,0.014569,0.004129,-0.012758,0.001856,0.022035,-0.000633,0.005531,0.002501,-0.00025,-0.002349,-0.001849,-0.006748,0.001078
    DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA002,0.126344,0.129988,0.067127,0.059109,0.03693,0.019243,0.007755,0.010615,0.001227,-0.023508,-0.001949,-0.008842,0.012339,0.014313,0.000136,0.009149,0.007823,-0.007728,0.002263,0.006128,-0.003369,-0.005935,0.00419,-0.002048,-0.008502
    DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA010,0.129758,0.123895,0.065996,0.065246,0.042777,0.025937,0.007755,0.009461,-0.005113,-0.018588,-0.002273,-0.009442,0.013528,0.021469,-0.00665,-0.012331,-0.009648,-0.007221,0.006662,-0.007504,-0.000499,0.000866,0.007518,-0.003253,-0.000958
    DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011,0.125205,0.129988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0.006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
    With Krakauer_Berg:
    Target: ph2ter_scaled
    Distance: 1.0035% / 0.01003506
    31.8 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA
    19.8 Slavic_I-Y3120
    13.0 HRV_IA__I3313
    11.8 Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    8.0 Szolad_Longobards_Male_Kindred1
    7.8 Slavic_R-L260
    4.2 Slavic_I-Y3120_o
    3.6 BGR_IA__I5769
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Try HRV_IA and BGR_IA samples
    Added them and Krakauer Berg too, its better but still somewhat high. Thanks ph2ter!

    Target: Hazmatnik_scaled
    Distance: 2.1789% / 0.02178859
    38.8 BGR_IA
    31.2 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA
    22.8 Slavic_I-Y3120
    7.2 Slavic_R-L260

    With Mokrin and some greek samples distance is going sharply down, but they are all from BA.
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    I've added the IA Bulgarian, IA Croatian and the Classical Greek from Empuries:


    Target: Aspar_scaled
    Distance: 2.1893% / 0.02189341
    34.2 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    31.0 Slavic_I-Y3120
    25.0 BGR_IA__I5769
    6.8 Slavic_R-L1029_o
    3.0 Slavic_R-L1029

    However the model gets lot more better distances when I use some Levantine source as well:

    Target: Aspar_scaled
    Distance: 1.6307% / 0.01630705
    41.8 Slavic_I-Y3120
    21.4 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2
    18.0 BGR_IA__I5769
    16.2 Levant_LBN_Roman
    1.6 Slavic_R-L1029
    1.0 Poprad_Vandal


    I don't know, it might be just overfitting however there must have been at least some Levantine in the pre-Slavic Roman population of the Balkans considering that the Imperial Romans were heavily shifted towards the Levant.

    Distance to: Aspar_scaled
    0.05183354 HRV_IA__I3313
    0.06390446 BGR_IA__I5769
    0.08149070 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215
    0.08374531 Poprad_VandalA119
    0.09153940 Slavic_R-L1029:VK541
    0.09244362 Slavic_I-Y3120:VK542
    0.09931073 Slavic_I-Y3120OH36
    0.10562523 Slavic_I-Y3120OH41
    0.10563144 Slavic_I-Y3120:Sunghir6
    0.10610925 Slavic_I-Y3120:KRA008
    0.11125356 Slavic_I-Y3120_o:VK210
    0.11207706 Breclav_Suebi:LIB2
    0.11227097 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:12
    0.11236531 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:8
    0.11239976 Slavic_R-L260:VK453
    0.11246826 Slavic_R-L1029:VK309
    0.11615424 Slavic_R-L1029:KRA001
    0.11803761 Slavic_R-L1029:KRA003
    0.11861189 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:7
    0.11949748 Slavic_R-L1029:VK139
    0.12091952 Slavic_I-Y3120OH44
    0.12485115 Kowalewko_Goths_Male:2
    0.12490735 Slavic_R-L260:VK494
    0.12522341 Slavic_R-L1029_o:VK160
    0.12676969 Levant_LBN_Roman
    Distance to: Aspar_scaled
    0.01995435 35.00% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 65.00% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02156914 40.60% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 + 59.40% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02223177 55.20% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215 + 44.80% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
    0.02300447 61.80% BGR_IA:I5769 + 38.20% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    I don't know, it might be just overfitting however there must have been at least some Levantine in the pre-Slavic Roman population of the Balkans considering that the Imperial Romans were heavily shifted towards the Levant.
    Sure there is. There are traces of this in English and German people too, just much less of it than in parts of the Balkans or Greece. But its the same, mostly Roman time, but not just, its also earlier and later, Levantine admixture. But like always it depends on the source groups one is using. But which one is right, we will only be able to tell with more Roman provincial, Celtoroman/Galloroman and urban Roman citizen samples, as well as Germanic and Germano-Celtic tribals from the regions in question. How much of the urban population survived, how big the impact on the rural population in the provinces was, we will see.

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    Target: Alain_mom_scaled
    Distance: 1.5807% / 0.01580663
    30.2 Slavic_R-L1029
    26.2 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA
    20.0 Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    10.4 Slavic_I-Y3120
    5.0 BGR_IA__I5769
    4.2 Slavic_I-Y3120_o
    4.0 Breclav_Suebi


    Target: Alain_dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.8955% / 0.01895501
    50.0 Slavic_R-L1029
    31.0 Slavic_I-Y3120
    14.6 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA
    3.4 Slavic_R-L1029_o
    1.0 Kowalewko_Goths_Male


    Target: Alain_scaled
    Distance: 1.4051% / 0.01405145
    50.2 DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA
    30.2 Kowalewko_Goths_Male
    17.0 Slavic_R-L260
    2.6 HRV_IA__I3313
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    H76 czech Republic/England (Celtic tribes ?) W3a1d Yamnaya Culture, Samara /Pontic steppe
    Scytho-sarmatian.

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    My:
    Polish: 27.8%
    German: 21.9%
    Greek_Central_Macedonia: 20.0%
    Italian_Bergamo: 17.4%
    Russian_Voronez: 10.4%
    Mari: 2%
    Moldovan: 0.2%
    Italian_Northeast: 0.2%
    Other: 0.1%

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    Is this modeling okay? I think distance is good?
    This is Balkan t-sne calculator from ph2ter ( because I read this is his best calculator for Balkanites?) + these new "Slavic" and "BGR_IA" + "GRC_Helladic_MBA".

    Code:
    SLAVIC:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:ERR4300330,0.12862,0.131003,0.082967,0.075259,0.048624,0.025937,0.00752,0.011999,0.002863,-0.019135,0.002111,-0.008692,0.020218,0.021607,-0.0095,0.009546,0.007953,-0.0019,0.005531,0.008504,-0.011355,0.005688,0.005916,-0.01699,-0.004191
    SLAVIC:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:ERR4300339,0.120652,0.137096,0.071276,0.071706,0.049548,0.01004,0.01081,0.014538,-0.009408,-0.018041,-0.00341,-0.001499,0.003419,0.018717,0.00285,-0.004773,0.003129,-0.002154,0.005154,0.004502,-0.009858,-0.004946,0.008381,-0.007591,0.001796
    SLAVIC:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:ERR4300342,0.130897,0.125926,0.062979,0.063308,0.040623,0.019801,0.00329,0.013846,0.001227,-0.020046,-0.00065,-0.01079,0.016353,0.026148,-0.015065,-0.01538,-0.002738,-0.003547,0.005405,-0.007379,0.000624,0.003462,0.00493,-0.006627,-0.001078
    SLAVIC:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:ERR4300349,0.129758,0.133034,0.082967,0.070737,0.049548,0.026216,0.005405,0.011769,-0.002659,-0.036447,0.003735,-0.01124,0.018285,0.023946,-0.009365,-0.014452,-0.002738,0.001014,-0.001131,0.010755,0.000374,0.001237,-0.001972,-0.009158,0.012214
    SLAVIC:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:ERR4300362,0.132035,0.135065,0.076555,0.06137,0.043085,0.025937,0.00564,0.007384,0.002045,-0.02041,-0.010555,-0.005995,0.014569,0.004129,-0.012758,0.001856,0.022035,-0.000633,0.005531,0.002501,-0.00025,-0.002349,-0.001849,-0.006748,0.001078
    SLAVIC:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA002,0.126344,0.129988,0.067127,0.059109,0.03693,0.019243,0.007755,0.010615,0.001227,-0.023508,-0.001949,-0.008842,0.012339,0.014313,0.000136,0.009149,0.007823,-0.007728,0.002263,0.006128,-0.003369,-0.005935,0.00419,-0.002048,-0.008502
    SLAVIC:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA010,0.129758,0.123895,0.065996,0.065246,0.042777,0.025937,0.007755,0.009461,-0.005113,-0.018588,-0.002273,-0.009442,0.013528,0.021469,-0.00665,-0.012331,-0.009648,-0.007221,0.006662,-0.007504,-0.000499,0.000866,0.007518,-0.003253,-0.000958
    SLAVIC:DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA:KRA011,0.125205,0.129988,0.078818,0.072675,0.047701,0.027889,0.013161,0.006692,0.005522,-0.020593,-0.00065,-0.009292,0.018583,0.027249,-0.011672,-0.010342,-0.006389,0.00266,0.008045,0.002876,-0.011729,-0.008037,0.007272,-0.003494,0.003952
    SLAVIC:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1,0.133173,0.132019,0.065996,0.049419,0.039392,0.024542,0.00893,0.008769,0.003886,-0.013668,-0.00065,-0.007343,0.008325,0.014863,-0.012486,0.005304,-0.005346,0.00228,0.002388,0.002126,-0.001497,-0.002844,0.007888,-0.006748,0.000838
    SLAVIC:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
    SLAVIC:CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0.046835,0.02739,0.013387,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018406,-0.000812,-0.004346,0.003717,0.007156,-0.010993,-0.003182,0.011604,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000618,0.001725,-0.000964,-0.006706
    ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ40,0.108132,0.149283,0.00264,-0.037791,0.018157,-0.010598,0.00094,-0.014538,0.003477,0.026789,-0.002436,0.008243,-0.007582,-0.008945,-0.00285,0.005304,0.020731,-0.003927,-0.000377,0.000375,-0.011355,0.00507,0.002218,0.00482,-0.005149
    ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36,0.117238,0.148267,0.011691,-0.025517,0.028313,-0.010319,0.003525,0.006923,0.00225,0.02041,0.003085,-0.000599,-0.009663,-0.004679,-0.001357,0.005834,0.00326,-0.000887,0.000377,0.001501,-0.008111,0.004451,0.006779,0.001566,-0.000479
    ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37,0.118376,0.139128,0.014708,-0.012597,0.01231,-0.006414,-0.004935,0.011769,0.004704,0.013121,-0.003735,0.004796,-0.013379,-0.001514,-0.008143,-0.00053,-0.00326,-0.005574,0.01257,-0.002626,-0.006738,0.006306,-0.000246,0.001807,-0.006706
    ILLYRIC:HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43,0.122929,0.145221,0.01697,-0.019057,0.030775,-0.01506,-0.004465,-0.004154,0.009613,0.020775,0.002436,0.005545,-0.011596,-0.007019,0.00095,-0.006364,0.011343,0.000507,0.005656,-0.00075,-0.006239,0.000989,0.004314,0.006145,-0.001078
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    Me and my friends
    Code:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Sure there is. There are traces of this in English and German people too, just much less of it than in parts of the Balkans or Greece. But its the same, mostly Roman time, but not just, its also earlier and later, Levantine admixture. But like always it depends on the source groups one is using. But which one is right, we will only be able to tell with more Roman provincial, Celtoroman/Galloroman and urban Roman citizen samples, as well as Germanic and Germano-Celtic tribals from the regions in question. How much of the urban population survived, how big the impact on the rural population in the provinces was, we will see.
    It must be very old, it's almost certain as I don't have many Levantine matches and I've tested with 23andMe and MyHeritage. With MyHeritage I have one Armenian and one Saudi match, both with longest segment around 9-10 cM. And these two also match a number of other Balkan people, mostly Albanians and Greeks. Both of them also have a lot of Greek in their ethnicity estimation so I assume it's likely a Balkan input in them. If it was something recent I would have had plenty of Levantine matches plus I would have got something Levantine in those ethnicity estimations but that's not the case. Plus, I don't get any East or Central Asian therefore it's not Ottoman Turkish mediated. I believe the Hellenistic times and the Imperial Roman period are the most likely timelines when this Levantine admixture could have arrived in the Balkans.
    Last edited by Aspar; 05-04-2021 at 09:37 PM.
    Distance to: Aspar_scaled
    0.01995435 35.00% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 65.00% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02156914 40.60% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 + 59.40% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02223177 55.20% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215 + 44.80% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
    0.02300447 61.80% BGR_IA:I5769 + 38.20% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19

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