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    Huns, Avars and Hungarian Conquerors

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    Pitvaros-Víztározó - 225 graves of the late Avar cemetery on the outskirts of the Pitvaros village (Csongrád County, Hungary) was excavated between 1993–1996 by Lívia Bende. On the basis of the special burial customs the community, which has used this cemetery, seems to have been the descendants of the population of the Eastern European origin known in the early Avar period. The small community, which has opened the cemetery, stretched from the western part of the Transtisza region to the area inside the rivers around the middle of the 7th century. The community kept their special burial customs all the way (catacomb graves, partial sacrificial animals etc.). The cemetery was used between 650/660 and the end of the 8th century.
    The skull of the Europid type mature man buried into the catacomb grave 72 was slightly distorted. The burial customs, primarily the catacomb grave is a characteristic of the population of the Eastern European origin, but the man wore the Meroving-type belt decorated with metal inlay, which was supposed to be a gift from a Meroving cultures community of the Transdanubia. The grave was dated to the turn of the 7th-8th centuries.

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    The elite group originating mainly from the Danube-Tisza Interfluve does not exhibit a genetic connection to the previously investigated small Avar period population from southeast Hungary, because the latter shows predominantly Eastern European maternal genetic composition. This result is comparable with the archaeological records, i.e. this Avar population buried the deceased in catacomb graves, following Eastern European traditions.

    One sample in our dataset (HC9) comes from this population, and both his mtDNA (T1a1b) and Y chromosome (R1a) support Eastern European connections. The observed within-Avar genetic differences correlate well with the cultural and anthropological differences of this group and demonstrate the heterogeneity of the Avar population.

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    This Europeanid population from the Magyar period must have been Slavic, because apart from the Slavs, there was no one in Pannonia at that time.

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    During preventive excavation of a factory on the outskirts of the Makó town (Csongrád County, Hungary) a complete early Avar-age cemetery contained 251 graves was excavated by Csilla Balogh, in 2009–2010 12. On the basis of the burial customs (NE–SW orientation, catacomb and niche grave, large number of the partial sacrificial animals), who joined to the Avars in the Eastern European steppe region the cemetery seems to be used by a population of Eastern European origin. Most of the population was Europid, some skulls had Mongoloid feature. The cemetery was used by the community between 568-630/650 AD.
    In the niche grave 56/58 was buried a Mongoloid young man with belt decorated mounts, bow and arrowheads. Into the pit was put a horse with horse harness. The grave was dug between the last third of the 6th century and the first third of the 7th century.


    So Balto-Slavic-like Europid population (Antes, Sclaveni?) joined Turkic-like Mongoloid population (Avars) in the Eastern European steppe region and then moved to the Pannonian region? Obviously, there were also other populations along the way (i.e. Southern European-like, Germanic-like).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambron View Post
    Thanks!
    This Europeanid population from the Magyar period must have been Slavic, because apart from the Slavs, there was no one in Pannonia at that time.
    Probably no known, independent tribal people any more, but there were definitely other people than the incoming Avars and Slavs around, especially provincial Roman derived people from the region, Sarmatians and Germanics.

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    In the ninth century, all these were ethnolinguistic Slavs.

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    That samples have a very bad SNPs coverage, so don't take it seriously
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambron View Post
    In the ninth century, all these were ethnolinguistic Slavs.
    In the 9th century mostly so, but not all, because new people came and there is the question about the Vlachs. Depends on the exact region I'd say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambron View Post
    In the ninth century, all these were ethnolinguistic Slavs.
    This is unlikely to be true, and even if most were ethnolinguistic Slavs, their recent ancestors were in many cases of non-Slavic origin.

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