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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    Here's the meat of it: If you have Balkan ancestry then they are likely correct! But Balkan on MH is iffy, meaning people who are not Balkan tend to get assigned Balkan if they have a south east euro signal. So thats why I suggest waiting for 23 and me as they will accurately land you in the correct regions. It might be a mix of Greek/Balkan and eastern Europe if you have legitimate Balkan ancestry and you can sort through the matches easily. I dont intend to talk down My Heritage as for me personally their autosomal estimate is accurate for the most part, but its hit or miss across the board for most people.
    Ah yeah I understand what you mean. I wonder about Ancestry DNA as well, does their site have a tool to search where your matches are from? The last time I used 23andme they did not have this.

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    PCA¨

    An easy PCA with modern average. Shows that Balkan Slaves have a genetic drift to East Europe and also Germanic Europe.
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    Distance: 3.1640% / 0.03163963 | R3P
    64.4 __Germanic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    PCA¨

    An easy PCA with modern average. Shows that Balkan Slaves have a genetic drift to East Europe and also Germanic Europe.
    Are there any PCA's that include Montenegrins? I'd like to see where they plot.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by excine View Post
    Are there any PCA's that include Montenegrins? I'd like to see where they plot.

    Thanks.
    Distance to: Montenegrin
     
    0.01099434 Serbian
    0.01348974 Romanian
    0.01767896 Moldovan
    0.01826389 Bosnian
    0.02319337 Bulgarian
    0.02652648 Macedonian:East2
    0.02786787 Croatian
    0.02979410 Italian_Northeast
    0.03001099 Macedonian:East1
    0.03060240 Macedonianelagonia1
    0.03143742 Slovenian
    0.03202952 Austrian
    0.03274630 Gagauz
    0.03338752 Hungarian
    0.03709324 Macedonian:Northwest
    0.03799605 Macedonian:Southeast
    0.03869069 French_Alsace
    0.04193081 Swiss_German
    0.04226148 Macedonian:Central
    0.04254485 Italian_Veneto
    0.04290142 French_Provence
    0.04319731 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.04367928 French_Nord
    0.04501874 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.04502238 Swiss_French


    Target: Montenegrin
    Distance: 3.5324% / 0.03532411
    48.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    43.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    7.6 WHG
    0.2 Han
    Can be modeled as:

    Target: Montenegrin
    Distance: 1.1229% / 0.01122853 | R2P
    50.6 VK2020_RUS_Kurevanikha_VA
    49.4 ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o
    50% Slavic/Baltic
    50% Central-South Italian

    Try this tool and insert :

    Code:
    Montenegrin,0.1263436,0.136487,0.039673,0.013889,0.0318826,0.0074744,0.004512,0.0058612,0.0001228,0.002515,-0.001429,-0.0006592,-0.000684,0.0105144,-0.0129208,0.0029436,0.0087096,-0.0013428,0.0070894,-0.0012758,-0.0048414,0.0012364,0.005497,0.0016388,0.0007904
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    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 3.1640% / 0.03163963 | R3P
    64.4 __Germanic
    26.4 __IllyricRoman
    9.2 __Finnic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    Distance to: Montenegrin
     
    0.01099434 Serbian
    0.01348974 Romanian
    0.01767896 Moldovan
    0.01826389 Bosnian
    0.02319337 Bulgarian
    0.02652648 Macedonian:East2
    0.02786787 Croatian
    0.02979410 Italian_Northeast
    0.03001099 Macedonian:East1
    0.03060240 Macedonianelagonia1
    0.03143742 Slovenian
    0.03202952 Austrian
    0.03274630 Gagauz
    0.03338752 Hungarian
    0.03709324 Macedonian:Northwest
    0.03799605 Macedonian:Southeast
    0.03869069 French_Alsace
    0.04193081 Swiss_German
    0.04226148 Macedonian:Central
    0.04254485 Italian_Veneto
    0.04290142 French_Provence
    0.04319731 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
    0.04367928 French_Nord
    0.04501874 Greek_Central_Macedonia
    0.04502238 Swiss_French




    Can be modeled as:



    50% Slavic/Baltic
    50% Central-South Italian

    Try this tool and insert :

    Code:
    Montenegrin,0.1263436,0.136487,0.039673,0.013889,0.0318826,0.0074744,0.004512,0.0058612,0.0001228,0.002515,-0.001429,-0.0006592,-0.000684,0.0105144,-0.0129208,0.0029436,0.0087096,-0.0013428,0.0070894,-0.0012758,-0.0048414,0.0012364,0.005497,0.0016388,0.0007904
    Thanks for this, not trying to stay off topic here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HBA39 View Post
    I wonder about Ancestry DNA as well, does their site have a tool to search where your matches are from? The last time I used 23andme they did not have this.
    Ancestry matches often have family trees you can search.

    Maybe you can try approach i took in order to figure out your possible Balkan heritage.

    This is approach i took investigating my origins and utilizing matches who had their trees available (or in case of 23 and me they put origins of their ancestors). It is time consuming and slow, but i think it works:
    1.Put match in DNA painter so you can see if you match on pileup segments or no (this is not possible only for ancestry matches because ancestry doesn't have option to see segments you share with your match). Disregard pileup matches.
    2.Dig through family trees and look for origins of the most distant ancestors if available.
    3.If person is too mixed (ancestors from all over the place) i disregarded them.
    4.In case of closer matches without ancestry info sent messages asking for their origins.
    5. Put their places of origins in my google maps. Clusters started to show up pointing to certain areas.
    Unfortunately in order to understand things better, you need to know history of migrations in the area (recent and more distant ones).

    This is the outcome i got, represented as heatmap of density points of ancestral origins of my matches. Arrows are my ancestral origins according to literature and family stories for the last 250 years. Sure there are some false matches and approach is not perfect, but it is what it is. Hope this can help you a little bit!:

    matches by Nikola Pavlovic, on Flickr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazmatnik View Post
    Ancestry matches often have family trees you can search.

    Maybe you can try approach i took in order to figure out your possible Balkan heritage.

    This is approach i took investigating my origins and utilizing matches who had their trees available (or in case of 23 and me they put origins of their ancestors). It is time consuming and slow, but i think it works:
    1.Put match in DNA painter so you can see if you match on pileup segments or no (this is not possible only for ancestry matches because ancestry doesn't have option to see segments you share with your match). Disregard pileup matches.
    2.Dig through family trees and look for origins of the most distant ancestors if available.
    3.If person is too mixed (ancestors from all over the place) i disregarded them.
    4.In case of closer matches without ancestry info sent messages asking for their origins.
    5. Put their places of origins in my google maps. Clusters started to show up pointing to certain areas.
    Unfortunately in order to understand things better, you need to know history of migrations in the area (recent and more distant ones).

    This is the outcome i got, represented as heatmap of density points of ancestral origins of my matches. Arrows are my ancestral origins according to literature and family stories for the last 250 years. Sure there are some false matches and approach is not perfect, but it is what it is. Hope this can help you a little bit!:

    matches by Nikola Pavlovic, on Flickr

    That’s a really great idea, actually. Thanks so much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HBA39 View Post
    That’s a really great idea, actually. Thanks so much!
    You are welcome! I also recommend to check thoroughly people from US, Sweden, France, Switzerland, Germany and Italy in case you do have Balkan ancestry, we do have large and old diaspora, many of them carry foreign names now but when you look at their trees you will find ancestors from here.
    And keep in mind that this is a journey into quite deep past (500+ years).

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    There are 2 different clusters genetically

    Greek-like: Greece, Albania, North Macedonia
    South Slavic-like: Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegria, Bulgaria, Romania, Moldova, Hungary, Slovenia
    Recent ancestry: 2/4 Central Moldova (Orhei district), 1/4 Southern Moldova (Cahul district), 1/4 Northern Moldova (Briceni district)
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