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    Living DNA update?

    Seems like living DNA is updating their method of admixture.

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    I found the following statements in that image interesting:

    That we will soon be rolling out a method update that will be available to customers with European ancestry outside of Great Britain and Ireland. Our team is working super hard to make this update available within the following weeks. If the upgrade is applicable to you, you will be notified.


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    Sadly, not everyone will be eligible to receive this update, but if you don’t hear from us this time around don’t worry! We’re still working on additional improvements and refinements for the rest of the world as well, so watch this space!

    How are they determining who is eligible for this update? For example, I have no ancestry from GB and Ireland, but am assigned 14.9% Scotland and Ireland - am I now ineligible based on a current assignment? Or like the "unofficial" 2019 update, are we all going to need to fill out a survey stating our paper trail?

    Seems like a weird way to roll out an update. Like many of these things, it will be interesting.
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    I think this update will be available for all people with European ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boilermeschew827 View Post
    How are they determining who is eligible for this update? For example, I have no ancestry from GB and Ireland, but am assigned 14.9% Scotland and Ireland - am I now ineligible based on a current assignment? Or like the "unofficial" 2019 update, are we all going to need to fill out a survey stating our paper trail?

    Seems like a weird way to roll out an update. Like many of these things, it will be interesting.
    Same, no ancestry from the isles, but they assign me a couple of percentages. Will be a bummer if that will stop me from getting the update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    Same, no ancestry from the isles, but they assign me a couple of percentages. Will be a bummer if that will stop me from getting the update.
    It's hard to believe no update would be applied to those whose results are partially British/Irish, partially other European.

    Maybe, with this algorithm update, you might even lose you British score, if it is not real.

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    I think there was an update like this before wherein only some people received it: I think it was a refinement to regions within Great Britain and you had to have over a certain threshold percentage from their to receive it (it was low I thought...like 20%??) So I think they mean that if an account has, say 20%+, ancestry in Europe outside of Great Britain/Ireland then they will get the update.

    Not sure if that's what they actually mean, but that's how I understand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kujira692 View Post
    I think there was an update like this before wherein only some people received it: I think it was a refinement to regions within Great Britain and you had to have over a certain threshold percentage from their to receive it (it was low I thought...like 20%??) So I think they mean that if an account has, say 20%+, ancestry in Europe outside of Great Britain/Ireland then they will get the update.

    Not sure if that's what they actually mean, but that's how I understand it.
    One problem with this is that if you have an ancestry in Europe outside of Great Britain/Ireland that should be above 20%, you will not get the update simply because LivingDNA has underestimated your non-Great Britain/Ireland result.

    They do this very often with some ancestry that is actually German, assigning it to Great Britain instead.

    23andMe's Ancestry Composition quite reasonably assigns me 48.2% "French & German", 36.3% "British & Irish", 6.2% "Broadly Northwestern Europe". They also assign several other fairly small ancestries, including 6.0% "Southern European" and 1.9% "Native American".

    By contrast, LivingDNA only "sees" 16.4% "Northwest Germanic", and the rest of my German ancestry is apparently assigned to parts of Great Britain which have a high percentage of Angle and Saxon DNA.

    However, they do at least assign 6.7% of my Menorcan ancestry to "East Iberia", which is better than Ancestry was able to do. (Ancestry gave me 0 "Spanish" and only 5% "Germanic Europe".)
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

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    I went over there and it offered me the update for my Ancestry upload and my parents' ancestry uploads. It didn't for my actual LDNA test, oddly.
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    I don’t think it’s the update. It’s just worded that way. I think they meant to say to unlock. I could be wrong but also how would you know it got updated if you’ve never seen it. Sort of catch 22.

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    There is some kind of update. It changed things around, but still is messed up re German, from what I can see. My mom now has 19.4% Scandinavian (one of her grandmothers was fully Swedish, so that makes sense), but the rest (80.6%) is British Isles, so it's still missing all the German (my mom is likely around 25% German, only 50% British Isles on paper).

    My dad gets 76.6% British Isles (which is in the ballpark, if a bit low, and his North Wales is at 7.5% -- I'm glad they picked up North Wales. Some of the other regions make sense too). However, his non British Isles is 1.3% Basque (he had Basque before the update, he has about 6.25% French ancestry on paper, so maybe), 2.8% Finland (I think this is new), and then 19.4% South Germanic (too high, but not crazy -- He also has a little Dutch ancestry, so maybe that's getting mixed in). Mainly, though, I think they still have issues with English vs German.

    And then amusingly, I now get only 27.6% British Isles. My 72.4% European includes 42.4% South Germanic (much of this should be English), 15.4% Scandinavia (as with my mom, this makes sense), and 14.6% NW Germanic. (I am likely about 20% German at most, although that's on paper so could be more or less, mixed Rhineland and Swiss.)

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