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    Quote Originally Posted by morrisondna View Post
    Raffaele, I now see your thread at this site: http://www.iagiforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=20010 . Have you entered results in Ysearch?

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    Ysearch ID: 8MHXU-->"Carbotti" --> PANEL 1 (1-12).


    YSEQ---> My Allele Results
    SampleID Marker+ Chr Start End Allele
    2250 CTS11824 ChrY 23296823 23296823 A+
    2250 CTS6889 ChrY 17173768 17173768 C+
    2250 F167 ChrY 8796086 8796086 A-
    2250 L690 ChrY 8796086 8796086 A-
    2250 M405 ChrY 8796078 8796078 C-
    2250 PF7592 ChrY 23296823 23296823 A+
    2250 S1161 ChrY 17173768 17173768 C+
    2250 S21 ChrY 8796078 8796078 C-
    2250 U106 ChrY 8796078 8796078 C-
    2250 YP1121 ChrY 17173738 17173738 C-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbotti View Post
    Ysearch ID: 8MHXU-->"Carbotti" --> PANEL 1 (1-12).
    Thanks very much for the Ysearch ID. With just 12 markers to compare, the STRs only suggest CTS11824. And you have confirmed that. I have placed a working spreadsheet showing the STRs for other CTS11824 people at http://www.geneticousins.com/L51xL11...Comparison.htm . The spreadsheet shows that DYS389ii = 28 is a key value in identifying CTS11824.

    Below CTS11824, SNP A636 is a SNP found among some descendants and can be tested at YSEQ. In parallel with A636, there is a cluster of novel SNPs that another group of descendants share, and one of these could be tested. If you wish to pursue this, you can see which descendants share which of these at www.geneticousins.com/L51xL11/SNPTree.htm . Of course, an NGS test would provide much more complete results.

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    Thanks morrisondna. look this facebook group R1b - L51/PF7589+ ---> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1586941081565144/

    Which his origin and to what likely ancient people more widespread? Normans o ancient German, or ancient Latin?

    Ciao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbotti View Post
    Thanks morrisondna. look this facebook group R1b - L51/PF7589+ ---> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1586941081565144/

    Which his origin and to what likely ancient people more widespread? Normans o ancient German, or ancient Latin?

    Ciao
    Thanks. I will take a look. So far, it looks to me like southern Germany would be the area that most CTS11824 have in common as an ancestral homeland. "Saxon" movement to Britain from Frankish areas for Westbrooke and Berry and maybe the Scottish surnames. Whittemore is another English name that is untested for CTS11824 but probably an offshoot of Westbrooke. Turzo of Hungary is probably CTS11824+ and may be a "Romanian Saxon" due to later German settlement in his home area. Other branches of CTS11824 may have relocated by local migrations or as Viking captives (Amundson?). There is still much to be learned.

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    The main stages of the migration of the Lombards ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombards ) , coincides with the greater diffusion of L51> CTS6889> CTS11824

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombar..._Migration.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbotti View Post
    Ysearch ID: 8MHXU-->"Carbotti" --> PANEL 1 (1-12).


    YSEQ---> My Allele Results
    SampleID Marker+ Chr Start End Allele
    2250 CTS11824 ChrY 23296823 23296823 A+
    2250 CTS6889 ChrY 17173768 17173768 C+
    2250 F167 ChrY 8796086 8796086 A-
    2250 L690 ChrY 8796086 8796086 A-
    2250 M405 ChrY 8796078 8796078 C-
    2250 PF7592 ChrY 23296823 23296823 A+
    2250 S1161 ChrY 17173768 17173768 C+
    2250 S21 ChrY 8796078 8796078 C-
    2250 U106 ChrY 8796078 8796078 C-
    2250 YP1121 ChrY 17173738 17173738 C-
    Your results from YSEQ are noted.
    2250 CTS11824 ChrY 23296823 23296823 A+
    Please join Group L51xL11 Downstream Alleles Browser at YSEQ so we can see your results. It's very difficult to keep track of your testing without the results being visible. I would also suggest adding your terminal SNP (CTS11824+) to your FTDNA Paternal Ancestor Name information. That will help us keep you in the correct subgroup. Thanks for your testing. Thanks to Edwin too..
    Last edited by Joe B; 09-15-2015 at 04:25 PM.
    YFull R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Y14512>Y20971>Y22199, ISOGG R1b1a1a2a2c1b Y14416, FTDNA R-M64

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    CTS11824 and Migration of the Lombards to Italy

    Quote Originally Posted by Carbotti View Post
    The main stages of the migration of the Lombards ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombards ) , coincides with the greater diffusion of L51> CTS6889> CTS11824

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombar..._Migration.jpg
    The migration of the Lombards from Scandinavia to Italy is interesting reading. With their migration occurring about 1600 years ago, and with CTS11824 occurring about 4000 years ago, it certainly is possible that CTS11824 somehow came to Italy as part of or as a result of this migration.

    The key to placing your line is in finding more recent SNPs that you share with other CTS11824 descendants. The odds favor your results falling into one of the two major SNP groups under CTS11824 as shown on my SNP tree. The A636 group actually contains results for a Sardinian and would be worth a try. However, a positive test for A636 only brings you a few hundred years closer to the present, and so it does not substitute for FGC Elite or Big Y.

    Edwin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe B View Post
    Your results from YSEQ are noted.
    2250 CTS11824 ChrY 23296823 23296823 A+
    Please join Group L51xL11 Downstream Alleles Browser at YSEQ so we can see your results. It's very difficult to keep track of your testing without the results being visible. I would also suggest adding your terminal SNP (CTS11824+) to your FTDNA Paternal Ancestor Name information. That will help us keep you in the correct subgroup. Thanks for your testing. Thanks to Edwin too..
    I can not find the link Group L51xL11...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbotti View Post
    I can not find the link Group L51xL11...
    Try these two links.
    https://www.yseq.net/group_browser.php
    https://www.yseq.net/group_alleles.php?gid=41
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    Thanks Joe

    "Success!
    The customer ID 2250 has just joined the group L51xL11 Downstram
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    Back to the Group Browser"

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