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    English may be so. My closest STRs are to Chamberlaine (unusual spelling) and a Savard who's line some paper trail shows is an adoption around the end of the American Revolution in Quebec.

    My Chamberlaine match has passed away along with his sister I believe. My Savard match was doing testing for genealogy.

    Next closest group are the Hooks and they are an active project. I'll dash off an email and see if any of them are doing these SNP tests.

    The H4=9 is important; those with it and 426=13 are closest to me. :-)
    Last edited by Paulie; 04-05-2014 at 04:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathna View Post
    Of course, these last three are the SNPs tested by Chromo2, but if you did Chromo2 you are negative. This is probably an English R-L51. But what is meaningful for the L51 phylogeny is that the "Irish" ones are ancestral, and in my theory they are linked to Iberia and Iberia
    to Italy. Of course the answer will come when we test some Italian L51.
    I double checked against my Chromo2 list, and I show S8889+, the other two are unlisted.

    Also checked the earlier merge list, and these were missing off it: CTS1738+, PF2624+.

    So to re-show the comparison again:

    CTS10085+, CTS11339+, CTS11726+, CTS11819+, CTS1738+, CTS2229+, CTS3075+,CTS3446+, CTS4380+, CTS5981+, CTS6889+, CTS7153+, CTS8355+, L1099+, L128+, PF2624+, PF2750+, PF3498+, PF3561+, PF5511+, PF5863+, PF5880+, PF5884+, PF6248+, PF6418+, PF6452+, PF7589+, PR4090+.
    CTS10085-, NoCall, CTS11726-, CTS11819-, CTS1738+, NoCall, NoCall, NoCall, NoCall, CTS5981+, CTS6889+, CTS7153+, CTS8355+, NoCall, L128+, PF2624+, PF2750+, NoCall, NoCall, PF5511+, PF5863+, NoCall, PF5884+, PF6248+, NoCall, NoCall, NoCall, PF7589+, PR4090-

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    [QUOTE=Paulie;36276]I double checked against my Chromo2 list, and I show S8889+, the other two are unlisted.[QUOTE=Paulie;36276]

    But you should look at your raw data to see if you were tested for them or not.

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    I'll email them to get the raw data. It's not a link on the website as far as I could find.

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    There are new Geno 2 and Big-Y R-L51+ results in the Swiss Anabaptist project. Sipe and the Swiss "Showalter" lineage. I can work on getting access to the Big-Y results for any direct comparisons to other L51+ Big-Y or FGC results.

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    All the people R-L51 tested and published on "ht 35 FTDNA Project" have CTS7153 (except 22103 John Thomas Worner, b. 1786 SC; d. 1880 LA R1b1a2a1a R-L51
    but he has for LD), and this SNP belongs to the two lines shown so far: the Brewertons and all the others.
    Of course these two lines are parallel and we cannot say that one is ancestral to the other, but it is interesting to me that what I called the "Irish R-L51" is beyond all the others from Switzerland to the Isles, thus to verify my hypothesis that this line could link Italy to Iberia to Ireland, just for what I said about the Richard Rocca's map.

    P.S. I am seeing now that this SNP belongs to the first stock of L51:
    Z2119 CTS7153 Z2119 15833558 17324164


    Z2111 3323086 3263086 no yes Approx hg: R-L51 no no no G -> A
    Z2112 4652104 4592104 no yes Approx hg: R-L51 no no no T -> G
    Z2113 6028320 5968320 no yes Approx hg: R-L51 no no no G -> A
    Z2114 13757450 15248056 no yes Approx hg: R-L51 no no no C -> T
    Z2115 CTS5981 Z2115 15101312 16591918 no yes Approx hg: R-L51 no no no G -> A
    Z2116 CTS10379 Z2116 17936652 19427258 no yes Approx hg: R-L51 no no no A -> G
    Z2117 7544708 7484708 no yes Approx hg: R-L51 no no no C -> T
    Z2118 PF7589 Z2118 8127783 8067783 no yes Approx hg: R-L51 no no no A -> G
    Z2119 CTS7153 Z2119 15833558 17324164 no yes Approx hg: R-L51 no no no G -> C
    Z2120 12332081 13822081 no yes Approx hg: R-L51 no no no T -> C
    Last edited by Rathna; 04-06-2014 at 01:48 AM.

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    I'd be grateful to smal if he, with the information above, did a tree like that of R-L23 for R-L51, and my hypothesis could be soon verified by looking at the R-L51 in the 1KGP. If I remember well there was also a Tuscan amongst them. If there were someone from Iberia or South America it would be perfect.

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    NA20785 TSI Z2111+ Z2112+ Z2113+ Z2114+/- Z2115+ Z2116+ Z2117+/- Z2118+ Z2119+ Z2120-
    HG01066 PUR Z2111+ Z2112+ Z2113+ Z2114+ Z2115+ Z2116+ Z2117+ Z2118+ Z2119? Z2120+
    NA20537 TSI Z2111+ Z2112+ Z2113+ Z2114+/- Z2115+ Z2116+ Z2117? Z2118? Z2119+ Z2120+/-

    HG00148 GBR Z2111- Z2112- Z2113- Z2114- Z2115- Z2116- Z2117- Z2118- Z2119- Z2120-

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    NA20785 TSI CTS10085- CTS11339? CTS11726- CTS11819- CTS1738- CTS2229- CTS3075+ CTS3446+ CTS4380- CTS5981+ CTS6889- CTS7153+ CTS8355?
    HG01066 PUR CTS10085- CTS11339? CTS11726- CTS11819- CTS1738- CTS2229+ CTS3075+/- CTS3446+ CTS4380- CTS5981+ CTS6889+ CTS7153? CTS8355+
    NA20537 TSI CTS10085- CTS11339- CTS11726- CTS11819- CTS1738- CTS2229- CTS3075+ CTS3446+ CTS4380- CTS5981+ CTS6889? CTS7153+ CTS8355+

    HG00148 GBR CTS10085? CTS11339- CTS11726- CTS11819- CTS1738- CTS2229- CTS3075+ CTS3446+ CTS4380- CTS5981- CTS6889- CTS7153- CTS8355+

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    NA20785 TSI L1099+ L128? PF2624+ PF2750+ PF3498?
    HG01066 PUR L1099+ L128? PF2624+ PF2750+ PF3498?
    NA20537 TSI L1099+ L128+/- PF2624? PF2750? PF3498?

    HG00148 GBR L1099+ L128- PF2624+ PF2750+ PF3498?

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