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    Great work, smal. Many many thanks to you. I'll study the matter deeply, but at a first sight it seems to me that what I was searching for has been found: Tuscan NA20785 is negative for CTS6889, like the two persons I called above of the "Irish L51", whereas all the others are positive and belong to the Central European till the Isles cluster. The other English negative for CTS6889 is also negative for all the SNPs of L51, from Z2111 to Z2120. Thus it would seem confirmed my theory of the migration of L51 from Italy to Iberia and from there to Ireland as the theory of Zilhao of the migration of the agriculturalists by sea from Italy 7500YBP and the landing to the Valencia region and to Central Portugal. After that the strange presence of L51 in the region between Ireland and Northern Ireland of to-day probably going up the rivers.

    Of course I must study the rest of the SNPs you posted. Anyway many thanks for your work.

    P.S. Not only, but Tuscans seem to have both the clades: CTS6889+ and CTS6889-.

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    NA20785 TSI PF3561+ PF5511? PF5863+/- PF5880+ PF6248? PF6418+/- PF6452+ PF7589+ PR4090+
    HG01066 PUR PF3561+ PF5511+ PF5863+ PF5880+ PF6248+ PF6418+ PF6452+ PF7589+ PR4090+
    NA20537 TSI PF3561+ PF5511+ PF5863+ PF5880+ PF6248+ PF6418+ PF6452+ PF7589? PR4090+

    HG00148 GBR PF3561+ PF5511+ PF5863+ PF5880+ PF6248? PF6418+ PF6452+ PF7589- PR4090+

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    For reference (particularly my own)

    S1161 = CTS6889
    Z2199 = CTS7153
    Last edited by Paulie; 04-07-2014 at 05:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulie View Post
    For reference (particularly my own)

    S1161 = CTS6889
    Z2199 = CTS7153
    Z2119 CTS7153 Z2119 15833558 17324164

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    Yep, but it didn't jump out to me right away. Been a few years. I recognize the 17324164 as the position, what's the other number?

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    It is also interesting, from smal's reading of 1KGP, that HG01066 (from Puerto Rico, thus probably from Iberia) is positive for all the SNPs from Z2111 to Z2120 (uncertain Z2119, but likely positive), whereas the two Tuscans are:
    1) certain negative for Z2120 NA20785 whereas the other Tuscan NA20537 is positive
    2) both are uncertain for Z2114 and Z2117
    Also these data point to an ancestral status of the Tuscan samples, to be deepen of course.
    NA20785 TSI Z2111+ Z2112+ Z2113+ Z2114+/- Z2115+ Z2116+ Z2117+/- Z2118+ Z2119+ Z2120-
    HG01066 PUR Z2111+ Z2112+ Z2113+ Z2114+ Z2115+ Z2116+ Z2117+ Z2118+ Z2119? Z2120+
    NA20537 TSI Z2111+ Z2112+ Z2113+ Z2114+/- Z2115+ Z2116+ Z2117? Z2118? Z2119+ Z2120+/-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulie View Post
    Yep, but it didn't jump out to me right away. Been a few years. I recognize the 17324164 as the position, what's the other number?
    S1161=

    17173768 S1161 CTS6889 S1161 SNP T C

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathna View Post
    It is also interesting, from smal's reading of 1KGP, that HG01066 (from Puerto Rico, thus probably from Iberia) is positive for all the SNPs from Z2111 to Z2120 (uncertain Z2119, but likely positive), whereas the two Tuscans are:
    1) certain negative for Z2120 NA20785 whereas the other Tuscan NA20537 is positive
    2) both are uncertain for Z2114 and Z2117
    Also these data point to an ancestral status of the Tuscan samples, to be deepen of course.
    NA20785 TSI Z2111+ Z2112+ Z2113+ Z2114+/- Z2115+ Z2116+ Z2117+/- Z2118+ Z2119+ Z2120-
    HG01066 PUR Z2111+ Z2112+ Z2113+ Z2114+ Z2115+ Z2116+ Z2117+ Z2118+ Z2119? Z2120+
    NA20537 TSI Z2111+ Z2112+ Z2113+ Z2114+/- Z2115+ Z2116+ Z2117? Z2118? Z2119+ Z2120+/-
    You should not conclude too quickly that Puerto Rico stands for Iberian ancestry. I just learnt German migration took place there (certainly low numbers however). Moreover "Iberia" is not exact I think, for the Spanish migration came from the Canary Islands above all.
    Y-DNA: R1b/U152/Z36/CTS4333/CTS7958, from Thuringia 1634, probably Alsace 1552, -- mt-DNA: H
    EUROGENES K13: North German 3.7, North Dutch 4.85, Danish 5.13, Swedish 5.44, Norwegian 5.7 -- West Eurasia K8: WHG 46.64%, ENF 39.09%, ANE 14.23%
    23andMe: speculative 26% French&German, 11.3% Scandinavian, 9.1% Eastern European, 8.8% British&Irish, 1.6% Southern European, 38% Broadly North Euro
    Known ancestry: 92.6% German (66.8% North German), 4.7% Danish, 1.8% Czech, 0.8% Austrian, 0.1% Swiss

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelticGerman View Post
    You should not conclude too quickly that Puerto Rico stands for Iberian ancestry. I just learnt German migration took place there (certainly low numbers however). Moreover "Iberia" is not exact I think, for the Spanish migration came from the Canary Islands above all.
    I don't know if you minded that for my theory that that Puerto Rican were of Central European origin would be better, because in my theory (migration of R-L51 from Italy to Iberia to Ireland) he should have been CTS6889-, whereas he is CTS6889+ like the people (so far) from Switzerland to the isles.
    Anyway good data for me.
    Last edited by Rathna; 04-07-2014 at 09:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathna View Post
    I don't know if you minded that for my theory that that Puerto Rican were of Central European origin would be better, because in my theory (migration of R-L51 from Italy to Iberia to Ireland) he should have been CTS6889-, whereas he is CTS6889+ like the people (so far) from Switzerland to the isles.
    Anyway good data for me.
    My comment did not concern your specific case. I only reacted spontaneously concerning your conclusion that Puerto Ricans are probably from Iberia. Puerto Rico is of interest for me, because I'm R1b/U152/Z36/..../.../CTS188 .., which, besides me, surprisingly only somebody from Puerto Rico has. And as I am German, I checked a little bit the origin of Puerto Ricans and I found information on German migration there (directly from Germany and US Americans with German origins).
    Y-DNA: R1b/U152/Z36/CTS4333/CTS7958, from Thuringia 1634, probably Alsace 1552, -- mt-DNA: H
    EUROGENES K13: North German 3.7, North Dutch 4.85, Danish 5.13, Swedish 5.44, Norwegian 5.7 -- West Eurasia K8: WHG 46.64%, ENF 39.09%, ANE 14.23%
    23andMe: speculative 26% French&German, 11.3% Scandinavian, 9.1% Eastern European, 8.8% British&Irish, 1.6% Southern European, 38% Broadly North Euro
    Known ancestry: 92.6% German (66.8% North German), 4.7% Danish, 1.8% Czech, 0.8% Austrian, 0.1% Swiss

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