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    Updated U152 Tree

    Here is my updated U152 tree based on data from Full Genomes Corp, Big-Y, BritainsDNA etc. The tree might still change as more data is available for cross-comparison. If a Big-Y kit does not appear there, they either do not share any new SNPs with other kits or I haven't been able to get to them yet. If you see any errors/omissions, etc. please let me know. Also, the 1KG, BritainsDNA and some UK samples are anonymous, so I cannot help anyone with deciphering who they are.

    http://r1b.org/imgs/U152_Tree_v001.pdf
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Thank you for all you work, Rich.
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    Rich,

    Thank you for putting all of this together! Trying to not take up your time but I have a quick question.

    Do you know if the Z12222 test with YSEQ will transfer to the FTDNA data?

    If it will I think I will test it but I don't really want to have to re-test when and if FTDNA adds Z150 to the a-la-carte menu.

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    Current level of testing: R1b1a2a1a2b1c1 U152, L2, Z49, Z142 and Z12222/Z150*

    (BigY shows that a back mutation of PF214 make my closest Big Y matches Buffington, Smith, Lincoln and Mitchell)

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    Rich,

    On the FTDNA U152 project page it lists kit# 1370 and 1620 under CTS 7970 but on your tree 1620 isn't shown and 1370 isn't shown under CTS7970 but only under generic Z150/Z12222.

    Also kit# 256287 is shown in Z150>L654 on U152 project while 7735 is shown in Z150/Z12222>L654>S42. On your tree they are both listed twice. Once under generic Z150/Z12222 and once under 19477303(G/C), 20815008(C/T).

    Based on your tree I see why you said "you're not alone" but based on the U152 project page I'm the only one currently listed as Z150/Z12222/22867545. Just confused by the differences.

    Thank you for your work on this tree.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 04-06-2014 at 04:41 PM.
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    Rich,
    Awesome work. Is 2QAKU Fowler included? I couldn't tell whether I was going blind or just not there?

    I know you are busy.....so in due time....just we have a vested interest.
    Thanks again for all your thousands of hours of work,
    Kelly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard A. Rocca View Post
    Here is my updated U152 tree based on data from Full Genomes Corp, Big-Y, BritainsDNA etc. The tree might still change as more data is available for cross-comparison. If a Big-Y kit does not appear there, they either do not share any new SNPs with other kits or I haven't been able to get to them yet. If you see any errors/omissions, etc. please let me know. Also, the 1KG, BritainsDNA and some UK samples are anonymous, so I cannot help anyone with deciphering who they are.

    http://r1b.org/imgs/U152_Tree_v001.pdf
    Rich, Congrats on FGC10543! Others results from Britain's DNA was a pleasant surprise as you indicated earlier. I was curious about the BDNA numbers, if that was something they provided--maybe I missed it. I was wondering if it was something we could get from them and make public or was it your own accounting system. I assume nothing came out of our mutual FGC BAM vs BAM and I am happy still being R-L2* with FGC Private.

    One of the many nice things about FGC is now I can sit back and look for matches even with the limited Big Y data coming in while waiting for my Big Y Bam file to finish downloading . . .
    Last edited by haleaton; 04-06-2014 at 05:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haleaton View Post
    Rich, Congrats on FGC10543! Others results from Britain's DNA was a pleasant surprise as you indicated earlier. I was curious about the BDNA numbers, if that was something they provided--maybe I missed it. I was wondering if it was something we could get from them and make public or was it your own accounting system. I assume nothing came out of our mutual FGC BAM vs BAM and I am happy still being R-L2* with FGC Private.

    One of the many nice things about FGC is now I can sit back and look for matches even with the limited Big Y data coming in while waiting for my Big Y Bam file to finish downloading . . .
    Hal I will join you eating popcorn

    It looks like there is some geographical clustering in the L2 downstream---Hal you stand alone on top of the mountain---still!
    DF103 (or downstream)Germany and UK BARTOLD, CRAUSS
    FGC5336 etc Italy PONTONARLIS
    FGC10543 Italy ROCCA !!!!
    CTS5689 Slovakia? ROKRUT
    DF110 Germany and UK FINCKE, BARTON
    DF90 Algeria, HANNI
    7426675 (A/C) etc N.England or Scotland? ARMSTRONG
    6707762(G/A) etc W. or N England TAYLOR, JOHNSON
    *203243 (C/G) Scotland VANCE, HAY

    Some of these surname locales are based on frequency in the Isles. I've got to do something while I am waiting....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Rich,

    On the FTDNA U152 project page it lists kit# 1370 and 1620 under CTS 7970 but on your tree 1620 isn't shown and 1370 isn't shown under CTS7970 but only under generic Z150/Z12222.

    Also kit# 256287 is shown in Z150>L654 on U152 project while 7735 is shown in Z150/Z12222>L654>S42. On your tree they are both listed twice. Once under generic Z150/Z12222 and once under 19477303(G/C), 20815008(C/T).

    Based on your tree I see why you said "you're not alone" but based on the U152 project page I'm the only one currently listed as Z150/Z12222/22867545. Just confused by the differences.

    Thank you for your work on this tree.
    Thanks for the updates. I will not add S42 as it seems to be a private or family SNP at this time. Now I know what you meant by being alone, but hopefully with more tests coming in weekly it won't last too long.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kwheaton View Post
    Rich,
    Awesome work. Is 2QAKU Fowler included? I couldn't tell whether I was going blind or just not there?

    I know you are busy.....so in due time....just we have a vested interest.
    Thanks again for all your thousands of hours of work,
    Kelly
    I'm still going through the Fowler data now. Since there are a lot less FGC samples, it is tougher to rule out which matching SNPs are just "noise".
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by haleaton View Post
    Rich, Congrats on FGC10543! Others results from Britain's DNA was a pleasant surprise as you indicated earlier. I was curious about the BDNA numbers, if that was something they provided--maybe I missed it. I was wondering if it was something we could get from them and make public or was it your own accounting system. I assume nothing came out of our mutual FGC BAM vs BAM and I am happy still being R-L2* with FGC Private.

    One of the many nice things about FGC is now I can sit back and look for matches even with the limited Big Y data coming in while waiting for my Big Y Bam file to finish downloading . . .
    Thanks Hal. I noticed FGC10543 was also found in an L2+ Sardinian sample, but I sent it over to Dr. Francalacci to confirm it, as the published samples were only "low pass" sequenced.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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