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    Target: Mr.G_scaled
    Distance: 1.2259% / 0.01225880
    46.4 __Germanic
    33.6 __IllyricRoman
    18.8 __Slavic
    1.2 __Hunnic

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    Target: Mr.G_mom_scaled
    Distance: 1.4573% / 0.01457332
    55.6 __Germanic
    22.8 __Gallic
    21.6 __IllyricRoman

    Target: Mr.G_dad_scaled
    Distance: 2.2532% / 0.02253167
    39.0 __Slavic
    32.2 __IllyricRoman
    21.6 __Germanic
    3.8 __Hunnic
    2.6 __Alanic
    0.8 __Levantine

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    Target: XXD_scaled
    Distance: 2.6875 % / 0.02687548

    53.0 _Greek
    20.4 _Gallic
    14.4 _Slavic
    5.4 Alanic
    3.8 _Finnic
    3.0 _Late_Roman

    Target: XXD_cousin_scaled
    Distance: 2.5949 % / 0.02594974

    75.0 _Illyric_Roman
    21.2 _Levantine
    3.08 _Slavic

    Model ain't making much sense to me. I know I am more Slavic-shifted that my cousin, but in this model we don't even share any DNA :p And what about me scoring Gallic?
    distance: 0.01753688
    Ancient Greece/Balkans: 48.2
    Early Slavic: 24.6
    RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya: 14.8
    Levant_Megiddo_IA: 9.6
    MAR_Taforalt: 1
    CHN_Chuanyun_Historic: 1.2
    Yoruba: 0.6

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    stance: 2.6827% / 0.02682746
    40.0 __Gallic
    24.6 __LateRoman
    20.0 __Germanic
    13.8 __Slavic
    1.6 __Greek
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    For Iberians:

    Code:
    __Vasconic,0.127102,0.141836,0.058202,0.013028,0.056113,0.001767,-0.002115,0.003000,0.024543,0.035475,-0.001786,0.011590,-0.017839,-0.008808,0.013029,0.003138,-0.005345,0.000084,-0.003352,-0.002334,0.007736,0.003462,-0.006368,-0.012411,-0.004471
    __Berber,-0.092359,0.130931,-0.003286,-0.071199,0.025653,-0.032491,-0.031223,0.010104,0.067347,0.029926,0.009848,-0.005973,0.021662,-0.016141,0.020193,-0.01414,-0.005979,-0.021365,-0.046131,0.009478,-0.016453,-0.041627,0.024808,-0.002066,0.005372
    With Iberic&Vasconic:

    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 1.6325% / 0.01632501

    56.4 __Vasconic
    16.8 __Gallic
    13.2 __Iberic
    6.8 __Greek
    3.0 __LateRoman
    2.8 __Berber
    1.0 __Levantine

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.9937% / 0.01993738

    49.0 __Iberic
    17.0 __LateRoman
    14.4 __Gallic
    8.8 __IllyricRoman
    7.2 __Berber
    3.6 __Vasconic

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.1325% / 0.02132486

    67.8 __Vasconic
    26.6 __Gallic
    3.0 __Greek
    2.6 __Berber

    Just with Vasconic:

    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 1.6410% / 0.01640996

    68.6 __Vasconic
    18.4 __LateRoman
    9.8 __Gallic
    2.8 __Berber
    0.4 __Levantine

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 2.1792% / 0.02179164

    62.6 __Vasconic
    17.4 __IllyricRoman
    12.6 __LateRoman
    7.4 __Berber

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.1325% / 0.02132486

    67.8 __Vasconic
    26.6 __Gallic
    3.0 __Greek
    2.6 __Berber

    Distances with all the sources:

     
    Distance to: gixajo_scaled
    0.02808073 __Vasconic
    0.03260630 __Iberic
    0.04062714 __Gallic
    0.06700440 __LateRoman
    0.07494877 __IllyricRoman
    0.09221541 __Germanic
    0.11352071 __Slavic
    0.13624530 __Greek
    0.14293948 __Alanic
    0.16257632 __Levantine
    0.22272319 __Finnic
    0.25520324 __Berber
    0.47700324 __Hunnic

    Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
    0.04242160 __Iberic
    0.04521010 __Vasconic
    0.05406091 __Gallic
    0.05678298 __LateRoman
    0.06562666 __IllyricRoman
    0.10789775 __Germanic
    0.12375425 __Greek
    0.12595837 __Slavic
    0.14220693 __Alanic
    0.15068589 __Levantine
    0.23058255 __Finnic
    0.24068844 __Berber
    0.47916895 __Hunnic

    Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
    0.02655894 __Vasconic
    0.03670249 __Iberic
    0.03785331 __Gallic
    0.07840071 __LateRoman
    0.08454173 __Germanic
    0.08599017 __IllyricRoman
    0.10788220 __Slavic
    0.14695026 __Greek
    0.14798697 __Alanic
    0.17394651 __Levantine
    0.21604300 __Finnic
    0.26117680 __Berber
    0.47723155 __Hunnic
    Last edited by mokordo; 05-06-2021 at 06:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    Distance to: Vettor_scaled
    0.04643247 __Gallic
    0.04945908 __LateRoman
    0.05219692 __IllyricRoman
    0.09720814 __Germanic
    0.10592874 __Slavic
    0.11464655 __Greek
    0.11813311 __Alanic
    0.14339797 __Levantine
    0.21759231 __Finnic
    0.47156585 __Hunnic


    Target: Vettor_scaled
    Distance: 2.5155% / 0.02515467
    40.6 __Gallic
    40.6 __LateRoman
    9.6 __Slavic
    6.0 __IllyricRoman
    3.2 __Greek


    Distance to: Vettor_scaled
    0.02636269 52.20% __Gallic + 47.80% __LateRoman
    0.02657914 45.80% __IllyricRoman + 54.20% __Gallic
    0.02664431 74.60% __Gallic + 25.40% __Greek
    0.02839328 30.40% __Germanic + 69.60% __LateRoman
    0.02943554 28.00% __Slavic + 72.00% __LateRoman
    0.02951980 79.60% __Gallic + 20.40% __Levantine
    0.03035874 68.60% __IllyricRoman + 31.40% __Germanic
    0.03448888 28.20% __Slavic + 71.80% __IllyricRoman
    0.03616278 54.60% __Germanic + 45.40% __Greek
    0.04187378 84.60% __Gallic + 15.40% __Alanic
    0.04267311 89.60% __LateRoman + 10.40% __Finnic
    0.04440300 52.40% __Slavic + 47.60% __Greek
    0.04581529 61.40% __Germanic + 38.60% __Levantine
    0.04609183 89.60% __IllyricRoman + 10.40% __Finnic
    0.04641393 99.80% __Gallic + 0.20% __Hunnic
    0.04937557 14.60% __IllyricRoman + 85.40% __LateRoman
    0.04937799 99.40% __LateRoman + 0.60% __Hunnic
    0.05217403 99.60% __IllyricRoman + 0.40% __Hunnic
    0.05383108 59.20% __Slavic + 40.80% __Levantine
    0.07509665 59.60% __Germanic + 40.40% __Alanic
    0.07959461 55.60% __Slavic + 44.40% __Alanic
    0.08366140 72.00% __Greek + 28.00% __Finnic
    0.09541204 28.80% __Slavic + 71.20% __Germanic
    0.09720089 99.80% __Germanic + 0.20% __Hunnic
    0.10191372 53.20% __Greek + 46.80% __Alanic


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    interesting is with the iberians/vasconic added ..............the Greek rises in % ...............are greeks attached to Iberians ?

    Target: Vettor_scaled
    Distance: 2.4939% / 0.02493918
    37.0 __Gallic
    16.4 __Greek
    14.4 __IllyricRoman
    13.4 __Vasconic
    10.8 __Slavic
    8.0 __LateRoman
    For you there is no need for Vasconic.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXD View Post
    Target: XXD_scaled
    Distance: 2.6875 % / 0.02687548

    53.0 _Greek
    20.4 _Gallic
    14.4 _Slavic
    5.4 Alanic
    3.8 _Finnic
    3.0 _Late_Roman

    Target: XXD_cousin_scaled
    Distance: 2.5949 % / 0.02594974

    75.0 _Illyric_Roman
    21.2 _Levantine
    3.08 _Slavic

    Model ain't making much sense to me. I know I am more Slavic-shifted that my cousin, but in this model we don't even share any DNA :p And what about me scoring Gallic?
    Illyric + Levantine = Greek, so two of you are not that different.
    Gallic shouldn't be there, but it obviously gives some balance to your Greek which is southern shifted in this calc and your unusual Finnic- Alanic leanings.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LesPoilus View Post
    With Vasconic, Berber and Iberic:



    What is "Vasconic", some kind of Basque-like sample?
    It seems a proxy based in Iberia_North_IA, those 2 samples are actually Berones and not Vascones, so Celtiberian, but they were close neighbours of Vascones areas, and the archeologial site is nowadays in basque Country territory (La Hoya site, near Laguardia, in the South of Álava province).

    Berber is Berber_MAR_ERR from modern averages datasheet, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    It seems a proxy based in Iberia_North_IA, those 2 samples are actually Berones and not Vascones, so Celtiberian, but they were close neighbours of Vascones areas, and the archeologial site is nowadays in basque Country territory (La Hoya site, near Laguardia, in the South of Álava province).

    Berber is Berber_MAR_ERR from modern averages datasheet, I think.
    But genetically they are most similar to Basques.
     
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    Target: Mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.0272% / 0.02027236
    52.0 Vasconic
    16.0 Berber
    13.4 Mesoamerica_Pacific_Amerindian
    11.2 Greek
    6.0 Amazonian_Manioc-Farmer
    1.4 Gallic

    Target: Dad_scaled
    Distance: 2.2961% / 0.02296095
    65.0 Levantine
    26.0 Greek
    9.0 Alanic
    Added Amerindian for my mom

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    But genetically they are most similar to Basques.
    To modern Basques yes, "pure" Basques genetically are basically Celtiberian-like genetic without later historical inputs. But probably original Vascones were closer to Aquitanians or mixed (that had probably also a Celtiberian-like genetic).

    They were at least 3 types of native "Iberians" , related but not exactly the same genetically (probably) at that times (NW=Iberian"Celts", N and center=Celtiberians, including Vascones, South and East=Iberian (I mean later bronze age and first Iron age) and actually some of them had already "non-European" component in their genetic.

    For me and my relatives it´s ok to use those "Celtiberian" or "Bascoid" ancient samples, because both my mother and my father belong to the North to South band marked by this genetics, although for a Spanish from the east and southeast, or a Spanish from the west or a Portuguese, it may not suit them so much (in terms of distances, then in results they can get a lot ).

    2WAY feature results:

    Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
    0.02380951 86.40% __Vasconic + 13.60% __LateRoman
    0.02394938 71.80% __Vasconic + 28.20% __Gallic
    0.02395196 92.60% __Vasconic + 7.40% __Greek
    0.02426723 94.20% __Vasconic + 5.80% __Levantine
    0.02439136 88.60% __Vasconic + 11.40% __IllyricRoman
    0.02475939 93.80% __Vasconic + 6.20% __Alanic
    0.02478681 96.40% __Vasconic + 3.60% __Berber
    0.02628886 95.60% __Vasconic + 4.40% __Germanic
    0.02646927 98.00% __Vasconic + 2.00% __Slavic
    0.03400864 6.00% __Berber + 94.00% __Gallic
    0.03633894 86.80% __Gallic + 13.20% __LateRoman
    0.03713248 95.00% __Gallic + 5.00% __Greek
    0.03732985 96.40% __Gallic + 3.60% __Levantine
    0.03743928 6.80% __IllyricRoman + 93.20% __Gallic
    0.04668639 47.20% __Germanic + 52.80% __LateRoman
    0.05221866 49.40% __IllyricRoman + 50.60% __Germanic
    0.05613194 68.20% __Germanic + 31.80% __Greek
    0.05924757 36.20% __Slavic + 63.80% __LateRoman
    0.06087134 73.60% __Germanic + 26.40% __Levantine
    0.06656432 39.00% __Slavic + 61.00% __IllyricRoman
    0.06795463 16.60% __Berber + 83.40% __Germanic
    0.07055975 85.60% __LateRoman + 14.40% __Finnic
    0.07629129 62.20% __Slavic + 37.80% __Greek
    0.07820264 85.00% __IllyricRoman + 15.00% __Finnic
    0.07839368 99.80% __LateRoman + 0.20% __Hunnic

    Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
    0.02680415 57.80% __Vasconic + 42.20% __LateRoman
    0.02758456 77.20% __Vasconic + 22.80% __Greek
    0.02852222 80.80% __Vasconic + 19.20% __Levantine
    0.02943716 63.00% __Vasconic + 37.00% __IllyricRoman
    0.03281655 88.40% __Vasconic + 11.60% __Berber
    0.03830250 52.40% __Gallic + 47.60% __LateRoman
    0.03847091 13.80% __Berber + 86.20% __Gallic
    0.04088038 87.60% __Vasconic + 12.40% __Alanic
    0.04256402 77.80% __Gallic + 22.20% __Greek
    0.04269786 40.00% __IllyricRoman + 60.00% __Gallic
    0.04362159 81.80% __Gallic + 18.20% __Levantine
    0.04417295 76.40% __Vasconic + 23.60% __Gallic
    0.04455747 26.40% __Germanic + 73.60% __LateRoman
    0.05043742 18.40% __Slavic + 81.60% __LateRoman
    0.05187522 70.20% __IllyricRoman + 29.80% __Germanic
    0.05492022 94.00% __LateRoman + 6.00% __Finnic
    0.05647583 2.40% __Berber + 97.60% __LateRoman
    0.05908143 54.60% __Germanic + 45.40% __Greek
    0.05926323 20.20% __Slavic + 79.80% __IllyricRoman
    0.06314991 7.20% __Berber + 92.80% __IllyricRoman
    0.06375585 93.40% __IllyricRoman + 6.60% __Finnic
    0.06536409 61.20% __Germanic + 38.80% __Levantine
    0.07348752 49.40% __Slavic + 50.60% __Greek
    0.07783842 24.80% __Berber + 75.20% __Germanic
    0.08057979 56.80% __Slavic + 43.20% __Levantine

    Distance to: gixajo_scaled
    0.01766166 74.80% __Vasconic + 25.20% __LateRoman
    0.01809527 88.20% __Vasconic + 11.80% __Levantine
    0.01814744 86.40% __Vasconic + 13.60% __Greek
    0.01917612 78.00% __Vasconic + 22.00% __IllyricRoman
    0.02347130 94.20% __Vasconic + 5.80% __Berber
    0.02398765 90.60% __Vasconic + 9.40% __Alanic
    0.02630338 75.80% __Vasconic + 24.20% __Gallic
    0.03375178 8.20% __Berber + 91.80% __Gallic
    0.03395544 72.20% __Gallic + 27.80% __LateRoman
    0.03631364 87.80% __Gallic + 12.20% __Greek
    0.03654402 90.00% __Gallic + 10.00% __Levantine
    0.03661679 21.20% __IllyricRoman + 78.80% __Gallic
    0.04262851 38.80% __Germanic + 61.20% __LateRoman
    0.04901740 58.00% __IllyricRoman + 42.00% __Germanic
    0.05293449 29.00% __Slavic + 71.00% __LateRoman
    0.05469822 62.60% __Germanic + 37.40% __Greek
    0.05960655 68.20% __Germanic + 31.80% __Levantine
    0.06097506 31.20% __Slavic + 68.80% __IllyricRoman
    0.06234444 89.60% __LateRoman + 10.40% __Finnic
    0.07035656 89.20% __IllyricRoman + 10.80% __Finnic
    0.07198549 19.00% __Berber + 81.00% __Germanic
    0.07306972 57.00% __Slavic + 43.00% __Greek
    0.07470094 2.40% __Berber + 97.60% __IllyricRoman
    0.07865297 63.40% __Slavic + 36.60% __Levantine
    0.08426580 75.60% __Germanic + 24.40% __Alanic

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