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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    With Iberic&Vasconic:

    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 1.6325% / 0.01632501

    56.4 __Vasconic
    16.8 __Gallic
    13.2 __Iberic
    6.8 __Greek
    3.0 __LateRoman
    2.8 __Berber
    1.0 __Levantine

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 1.9937% / 0.01993738

    49.0 __Iberic
    17.0 __LateRoman
    14.4 __Gallic
    8.8 __IllyricRoman
    7.2 __Berber
    3.6 __Vasconic

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.1325% / 0.02132486

    67.8 __Vasconic
    26.6 __Gallic
    3.0 __Greek
    2.6 __Berber

    Just with Vasconic:

    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 1.6410% / 0.01640996

    68.6 __Vasconic
    18.4 __LateRoman
    9.8 __Gallic
    2.8 __Berber
    0.4 __Levantine

    Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
    Distance: 2.1792% / 0.02179164

    62.6 __Vasconic
    17.4 __IllyricRoman
    12.6 __LateRoman
    7.4 __Berber

    Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
    Distance: 2.1325% / 0.02132486

    67.8 __Vasconic
    26.6 __Gallic
    3.0 __Greek
    2.6 __Berber

    Distances with all the sources:

     
    Distance to: gixajo_scaled
    0.02808073 __Vasconic
    0.03260630 __Iberic
    0.04062714 __Gallic
    0.06700440 __LateRoman
    0.07494877 __IllyricRoman
    0.09221541 __Germanic
    0.11352071 __Slavic
    0.13624530 __Greek
    0.14293948 __Alanic
    0.16257632 __Levantine
    0.22272319 __Finnic
    0.25520324 __Berber
    0.47700324 __Hunnic

    Distance to: gixajo_dad_scaled
    0.04242160 __Iberic
    0.04521010 __Vasconic
    0.05406091 __Gallic
    0.05678298 __LateRoman
    0.06562666 __IllyricRoman
    0.10789775 __Germanic
    0.12375425 __Greek
    0.12595837 __Slavic
    0.14220693 __Alanic
    0.15068589 __Levantine
    0.23058255 __Finnic
    0.24068844 __Berber
    0.47916895 __Hunnic

    Distance to: gixajo_mom_scaled
    0.02655894 __Vasconic
    0.03670249 __Iberic
    0.03785331 __Gallic
    0.07840071 __LateRoman
    0.08454173 __Germanic
    0.08599017 __IllyricRoman
    0.10788220 __Slavic
    0.14695026 __Greek
    0.14798697 __Alanic
    0.17394651 __Levantine
    0.21604300 __Finnic
    0.26117680 __Berber
    0.47723155 __Hunnic
    My mom's results ignores Iberic but loves Vasconic. My mom has Basque ancestry as well one of the lines being from France. But should the results be so skewed towards Vasconic? Your family has Basque ancestry but doesn't skew as much I feel. Could having Amerindian ancestry throw the results off a bit? I know this calculator wasn't meant for Iberians let alone Americans but was just curious. It happens in other calculators as well.
    Distance to: Mom_scaled
    0.14932009 Vasconic
    0.15027426 Gallic
    0.15114975 LateRoman
    0.15501996 Iberic
    0.15647319 IllyricRoman
    0.16424031 Alanic
    0.16633331 Germanic
    0.17655176 Slavic
    0.18293123 Greek
    0.18633905 Finnic
    0.19583108 Levantine
    0.24206372 Berber
    0.39023590 Hunnic
    0.52352645 Mesoamerica_Pacific_Amerindian
    0.53847423 Andean-Pacific_Amerindian
    0.54077026 Mesoamerica_Pacific_Amerindian
    0.59926693 Amazonian_Manioc-Farmer:HGDP00843

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    Distance to: NorthernAdriatic_scaled
    0.02766090 __IllyricRoman
    0.02873761 __LateRoman
    0.07655297 __Gallic
    0.08473192 __Greek
    0.08620233 __Vasconic
    0.08643642 __Iberic
    0.10599032 __Alanic
    0.11031301 __Levantine
    0.12718599 __Germanic
    0.13015510 __Slavic
    0.23378295 __Finnic
    0.25137240 __Berber
    0.47305096 __Hunnic


    2-WAYS (top 10):
    Distance to: NorthernAdriatic_scaled
    0.02509976 8.40% __Slavic + 91.60% __IllyricRoman
    0.02520131 9.80% __Slavic + 90.20% __LateRoman
    0.02546453 87.00% __IllyricRoman + 13.00% __Gallic
    0.02553508 88.60% __IllyricRoman + 11.40% __Vasconic
    0.02569453 92.40% __IllyricRoman + 7.60% __Germanic
    0.02610137 10.00% __Iberic + 90.00% __IllyricRoman
    0.02636498 57.80% __IllyricRoman + 42.20% __LateRoman
    0.02721385 98.00% __IllyricRoman + 2.00% __Finnic
    0.02721648 7.00% __Germanic + 93.00% __LateRoman
    0.02742157 10.80% __Gallic + 89.20% __LateRoman
    Deep Ancestry: 63.2% AUT_LBK_N + 36.8% RUS_Vonyuchka_En @ 2.6339%
    Ancient: 89.0% ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity + 11.0% HUN_Avar_Szolad @ 2.4649%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander87 View Post
    My mom's results ignores Iberic but loves Vasconic. My mom has Basque ancestry as well one of the lines being from France. But should the results be so skewed towards Vasconic? Your family has Basque ancestry but doesn't skew as much I feel. Could having Amerindian ancestry throw the results off a bit? I know this calculator wasn't meant for Iberians let alone Americans but was just curious. It happens in other calculators as well.
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    This calculator was made thinking in Balkans and not focused in point any Basque ancestry, Iberic and Vasconic references are proxies made with a similar base, so individual samples from the north and northeast of the peninsula from the Iron Age, and all those samples are quite close to the current Basques, so they are very similar references that do not serve to discriminate the Basque ancestry in any accurate way.

    My father does not have any known Basque ancestry, he is Andalusian.

    Sorry Phter for all this Off Topic, I only wanted to add a reference to get anyone with ancestry in the Iberian peninsula to get better distances.
    Last edited by mokordo; 05-06-2021 at 08:16 PM.

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    Target: ChristosA_scaled
    Distance: 1.7312% / 0.01731227
    91.6 __IllyricRoman
    6.8 __Slavic
    1.6 __Greek

    Target: Christos_mother_scaled
    Distance: 1.9609% / 0.01960929
    85.4 __IllyricRoman
    14.6 __Slavic

    Target: Christos_father_scaled
    Distance: 2.7525% / 0.02752533
    80.4 __IllyricRoman
    7.8 __Alanic
    7.0 __Levantine
    4.2 __Slavic
    0.6 __Hunnic

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    Target: monedula_scaled
    Distance: 2.6339% / 0.02633915
    57.0 __Germanic
    35.8 __Gallic
    7.2 __Slavic

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    It seems a proxy based in Iberia_North_IA, those 2 samples are actually Berones and not Vascones, so Celtiberian, but they were close neighbours of Vascones areas, and the archeologial site is nowadays in basque Country territory (La Hoya site, near Laguardia, in the South of Álava province).

    Berber is Berber_MAR_ERR from modern averages datasheet, I think.
    Considering my genealogy, i should i have some Basque-like ancestry, but i get way to much of it. So, according to you, is it possible that Basque-like ancestry turn to be a confounding for Celtiberian IA ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monedula View Post
    Target: monedula_scaled
    Distance: 2.6339% / 0.02633915
    57.0 __Germanic
    35.8 __Gallic
    7.2 __Slavic
    how close are the Dutch to Northern Germans? I ask because you have some Slavic while I didn't get any.

    original pops.

     
    Ancestry*


    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 1.8951% / 0.01895073
    66.4 __Germanic
    20.6 __IllyricRoman
    13.0 __Gallic


    23/

    Target: JerryS_scaled
    Distance: 1.9439% / 0.01943881
    72.2 __Germanic
    14.4 __IllyricRoman
    8.8 __LateRoman
    4.6 __Gallic

    with the addition of the Iberian references:


     
    Ancestry*

    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 1.8919% / 0.01891932
    66.6 __Germanic
    20.2 __IllyricRoman
    12.4 __Gallic
    0.4 __Berber
    0.4 __Vasconic


    23/

    Target: JerryS_scaled
    Distance: 1.9082% / 0.01908181
    71.0 __Germanic
    19.6 __IllyricRoman
    7.4 __Gallic
    1.6 __Berber
    0.4 __Vasconic
    Last edited by JerryS.; 05-06-2021 at 08:46 PM.

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    With and without the Iberian references:

    me:

    Distance: 1.877%

    __Germanic: 36.5%
    __Vasconic: 34.7%
    __IllyricRoman: 14.3%
    __Gallic: 13.3%
    __Hunnic: 1.2%

    Distance: 2.191%

    __Gallic: 85.1%
    __Germanic: 12.5%
    __Hunnic: 2.0%
    __IllyricRoman: 0.4%

    dad:

    Distance: 3.137%

    __Germanic: 49.4%
    __IllyricRoman: 28.7%
    __Vasconic: 18.3%
    __Hunnic: 2.8%
    __Finnic: 0.8%

    Distance: 3.234%

    __Germanic: 41.9%
    __Gallic: 29.8%
    __IllyricRoman: 24.7%
    __Hunnic: 3.1%
    __Finnic: 0.6%

    mom:

    Distance: 2.029%

    __Gallic: 52.2%
    __Germanic: 28.0%
    __Vasconic: 9.5%
    __Slavic: 6.4%
    __IllyricRoman: 3.9%

    Distance: 2.053%

    __Gallic: 70.1%
    __Germanic: 23.2%
    __Slavic: 5.7%
    __IllyricRoman: 0.9%

    wife:

    Distance: 1.314%

    __Germanic: 60.4%
    __Vasconic: 19.0%
    __IllyricRoman: 18.3%
    __Levantine: 2.2%

    Distance: 1.533%

    __Germanic: 61.8%
    __LateRoman: 25.2%
    __Gallic: 12.2%
    __IllyricRoman: 0.9%

    fil:

    Distance: 2.745%

    __Germanic: 74.9%
    __Vasconic: 15.0%
    __Greek: 6.5%
    __Berber: 3.6%

    Distance: 2.972%

    __Germanic: 78.1%
    __LateRoman: 21.9%

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryS. View Post
    how close are the Dutch to Northern Germans? I ask because you have some Slavic while I didn't get any.

    original pops.

     
    Ancestry*


    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 1.8951% / 0.01895073
    66.4 __Germanic
    20.6 __IllyricRoman
    13.0 __Gallic


    23/

    Target: JerryS_scaled
    Distance: 1.9439% / 0.01943881
    72.2 __Germanic
    14.4 __IllyricRoman
    8.8 __LateRoman
    4.6 __Gallic

    with the addition of the Iberian references:


     
    Ancestry*

    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 1.8919% / 0.01891932
    66.6 __Germanic
    20.2 __IllyricRoman
    12.4 __Gallic
    0.4 __Berber
    0.4 __Vasconic


    23/

    Target: JerryS_scaled
    Distance: 1.9082% / 0.01908181
    71.0 __Germanic
    19.6 __IllyricRoman
    7.4 __Gallic
    1.6 __Berber
    0.4 __Vasconic
    IllyricRoman might include some Slavic in a fused form for you.

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    Target: DewslothMom_scaled
    Distance: 1.5549% / 0.01554943
    64.2 __Levantine
    26.2 __Greek
    9.2 __Alanic
    0.4 __Hunnic


    Target: DewslothDad_scaled
    Distance: 1.1554% / 0.01155426
    46.6 __Gallic
    30.4 __Germanic
    16.4 __LateRoman
    5.8 __IllyricRoman
    0.8 __Finnic


    Target: Dewsloth_scaled
    Distance: 1.3275% / 0.01327502
    40.4 __Greek
    29.4 __Germanic
    21.0 __Levantine
    8.8 __Gallic
    0.2 __Alanic
    0.2 __Hunnic
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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