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    Thanks!

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    Target: Michael_scaled
    Distance: 2.8543% / 0.02854257
    52.6 __Germanic
    21.4 _Slavic
    20.6 __Gallic
    5.4 __LateRoman
    Known ancestry: 92.6% German (66.8% North German), 4.7% Danish, 1.8% Czech, 0.8% Austrian, 0.1% Swiss.
    EUROGENES K13: N German, N Dutch, DNK, SWE, NOR. Ancestry: Germanic 75%, Sweden 13%, Norway 11%, Baltic 1%. LM: NOR, DNK, NLD, N-DEU, SWE.
    23andMe: NW Europe 82.5% (French/German 50.2%, Scandinavian 9.1%, British/Irish 3.2%), East Europe 11.5%, South Europe 1.5%. DNAL: NW Euro 81%, NE Euro 11%, Med 6.5%
    Y-DNA: R1b/U152/Z36/CTS4333, Thuringia 1634, probably Alsace 1552, -- mt-DNA: H

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    Our results. Interesting how we all prefer Illyric Roman over Late Roman. Also, the difference between my dad (North Dutch) and the rest of us (South Dutch) regarding Germanic and Gallic is remarkable:

    Target: Kellebel_scaled
    Distance: 1.8008% / 0.01800783
    45.4 __Germanic
    41.0 __Gallic
    13.0 __IllyricRoman
    0.6 __Hunnic

    Target: Kae_scaled
    Distance: 1.7771% / 0.01777062
    78.6 __Germanic
    19.4 __IllyricRoman
    2.0 __Gallic

    Target: Ella_scaled
    Distance: 1.8906% / 0.01890615
    46.8 __Gallic
    34.4 __Germanic
    18.8 __IllyricRoman

    Target: Pao_scaled
    Distance: 1.8737% / 0.01873723
    57.0 __Gallic
    32.0 __Germanic
    8.2 __IllyricRoman
    2.8 __Slavic

    Kae = Father // Ella = Mother // Pao = Maternal Grandmother:
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    Kae: 66.8 Dutch // 25.8 N+W French // 7.4 E German (@0.01632655)
    Ella: 92.9 Belgian // 4.0 W German // 3.1 W Sicilian (@0.01514940)
    Pao: 58.2 Belgian // 41.8 W German (@0.01636705)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellebel View Post
    Our results. Interesting how we all prefer Illyric Roman over Late Roman. Also, the difference between my dad (North Dutch) and the rest of us (South Dutch) regarding Germanic and Gallic is remarkable:

    Target: Kellebel_scaled
    Distance: 1.8008% / 0.01800783
    45.4 __Germanic
    41.0 __Gallic
    13.0 __IllyricRoman
    0.6 __Hunnic

    Target: Kae_scaled
    Distance: 1.7771% / 0.01777062
    78.6 __Germanic
    19.4 __IllyricRoman
    2.0 __Gallic

    Target: Ella_scaled
    Distance: 1.8906% / 0.01890615
    46.8 __Gallic
    34.4 __Germanic
    18.8 __IllyricRoman

    Target: Pao_scaled
    Distance: 1.8737% / 0.01873723
    57.0 __Gallic
    32.0 __Germanic
    8.2 __IllyricRoman
    2.8 __Slavic

    I'm surprised at the amount of Gallic I got since the majority of my ancestry is from north of 51 degrees latitude, and no Slavic unless I run the 2-way. it seems that these models create a small middle European group (French?) sort of for me, but I don't really understand all of this especially these ancient populations.

    the two-way model gives me this:

    Distance to: JerryS._scaled
    0.01920686 26.00% __IllyricRoman + 74.00% __Germanic
    0.01966732 74.00% __Germanic + 26.00% __LateRoman
    0.02196958 83.20% __Germanic + 16.80% __Greek
    0.02198645 44.80% __Germanic + 55.20% __Gallic
    0.02441249 85.80% __Germanic + 14.20% __Levantine
    0.03106634 18.80% __Slavic + 81.20% __Gallic
    0.03181712 84.20% __Germanic + 15.80% __Alanic
    0.03230055 93.40% __Gallic + 6.60% __Finnic
    0.03464422 99.00% __Gallic + 1.00% __Hunnic
    0.03482308 98.00% __Gallic + 2.00% __Alanic
    0.03992952 1.40% __Slavic + 98.60% __Germanic
    0.05129010 61.20% __Slavic + 38.80% __LateRoman
    0.05338767 62.00% __Slavic + 38.00% __IllyricRoman
    0.05960872 77.40% __Slavic + 22.60% __Greek
    0.06175546 81.00% __Slavic + 19.00% __Levantine
    0.06323260 74.20% __Slavic + 25.80% __Alanic
    0.07884952 73.80% __LateRoman + 26.20% __Finnic
    0.08046739 73.80% __IllyricRoman + 26.20% __Finnic
    0.09914960 83.60% __LateRoman + 16.40% __Alanic
    0.09953000 96.80% __LateRoman + 3.20% __Hunnic
    0.10042783 84.80% __IllyricRoman + 15.20% __Alanic
    0.10052286 24.80% __IllyricRoman + 75.20% __LateRoman
    0.10070134 97.20% __IllyricRoman + 2.80% __Hunnic
    0.11297570 56.00% __Greek + 44.00% __Finnic
    0.11902734 27.80% __Finnic + 72.20% __Alanic
    Last edited by JerryS.; 05-15-2021 at 08:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryS. View Post
    I'm surprised at the amount of Gallic I got since the majority of my ancestry is from north of 51 degrees latitude, and no Slavic unless I run the 2-way. it seems that these models create a small middle European group (French?) sort of for me, but I don't really understand all of this especially these ancient populations.

    the two-way model gives me this:

    Distance to: JerryS._scaled
    0.01920686 26.00% __IllyricRoman + 74.00% __Germanic
    0.01966732 74.00% __Germanic + 26.00% __LateRoman
    0.02196958 83.20% __Germanic + 16.80% __Greek
    0.02198645 44.80% __Germanic + 55.20% __Gallic
    0.02441249 85.80% __Germanic + 14.20% __Levantine
    0.03106634 18.80% __Slavic + 81.20% __Gallic
    0.03181712 84.20% __Germanic + 15.80% __Alanic
    0.03230055 93.40% __Gallic + 6.60% __Finnic
    0.03464422 99.00% __Gallic + 1.00% __Hunnic
    0.03482308 98.00% __Gallic + 2.00% __Alanic
    0.03992952 1.40% __Slavic + 98.60% __Germanic
    0.05129010 61.20% __Slavic + 38.80% __LateRoman
    0.05338767 62.00% __Slavic + 38.00% __IllyricRoman
    0.05960872 77.40% __Slavic + 22.60% __Greek
    0.06175546 81.00% __Slavic + 19.00% __Levantine
    0.06323260 74.20% __Slavic + 25.80% __Alanic
    0.07884952 73.80% __LateRoman + 26.20% __Finnic
    0.08046739 73.80% __IllyricRoman + 26.20% __Finnic
    0.09914960 83.60% __LateRoman + 16.40% __Alanic
    0.09953000 96.80% __LateRoman + 3.20% __Hunnic
    0.10042783 84.80% __IllyricRoman + 15.20% __Alanic
    0.10052286 24.80% __IllyricRoman + 75.20% __LateRoman
    0.10070134 97.20% __IllyricRoman + 2.80% __Hunnic
    0.11297570 56.00% __Greek + 44.00% __Finnic
    0.11902734 27.80% __Finnic + 72.20% __Alanic
    It is the calculator effect.

    It tries to balance.

    What does the original results give you?

    Try Reduce to 2 and 3 populations.
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    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 3.1640% / 0.03163963 | R3P
    64.4 __Germanic
    26.4 __IllyricRoman
    9.2 __Finnic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    It is the calculator effect.

    It tries to balance.

    What does the original results give you?

    Try Reduce to 2 and 3 populations.
    from page 2:

    Ancestry*


    Target: JerryS._scaled
    Distance: 1.8951% / 0.01895073
    66.4 __Germanic
    20.6 __IllyricRoman
    13.0 __Gallic


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    Target: JerryS_scaled
    Distance: 1.9439% / 0.01943881
    72.2 __Germanic
    14.4 __IllyricRoman
    8.8 __LateRoman
    4.6 __Gallic

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    Target: ChristianMom_scaled
    Distance: 2.9853% / 0.02985251
    45.6 __Slavic
    33.8 __IllyricRoman
    14.6 __Levantine
    5.2 __Finnic
    0.8 __Hunnic

    Target: ChrisB_dad_scaled
    Distance: 2.4811% / 0.02481058
    46.6 __Slavic
    32.4 __IllyricRoman
    19.2 __Greek
    1.8 __Hunnic

    Target: ChristianB_scaled
    Distance: 2.0440% / 0.02044006
    41.6 __Slavic
    32.2 __IllyricRoman
    15.8 __Greek
    5.6 __Levantine
    4.8 __Finnic

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    Distance to: KG_scaled
    0.05686525 __Slavic
    0.05800629 __Gallic
    0.07620569 __Germanic
    0.08986566 __IllyricRoman
    0.09211480 __LateRoman
    0.11814183 __Alanic
    0.15029581 __Greek
    0.17570485 __Levantine
    0.18784784 __Finnic
    0.46130401 __Hunnic

    Target: KG_scaled
    Distance: 2.0296% / 0.02029631
    68.8 __Slavic
    16.2 __Greek
    7.6 __IllyricRoman
    5.0 __LateRoman
    2.4 __Alanic

    Target: KG_scaled
    Distance: 2.0955% / 0.02095540 | ADC: 0.25x
    63.4 __Slavic
    17.0 __IllyricRoman
    12.8 __LateRoman
    4.8 __Alanic
    2.0 __Greek

    LateRoman is exactly what?

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    Distance: 2.6384% / 0.02638415
    69.2 __IllyricRoman
    16.2 __Greek
    14.6 __Slavic

    Distance to: Pleiades
    0.02957930 __IllyricRoman
    0.03628962 __LateRoman
    0.08275245 __Greek
    0.08437662 __Gallic
    0.10745757 __Alanic
    0.11464339 __Levantine
    0.13115589 __Slavic
    0.13375102 __Germanic
    0.23249717 __Finnic
    0.46948179 __Hunnic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    What do you mean with the low Slavic?How do you estimate the Balto-Slavic drift among Bulgarians,Greeks,N.Macedonians,Albanians,Romanian s and Yugoslavs?Greek Macedonians for example have at least 35-40% Balto-Slavic drift and some of them even more.Bulgarians,Romanians,Yugoslavs have even more than 40% Balto-Slavic drift.N.Macedonians from gedmatch kits and also from the samples we have in G25 they plot between Greek_Macedonians and Bulgarians.Ofc they are not Slavic admixed in the way Belrusians,Poles,Ukrainians and Russians are... but you cannot claim that modern balkaners have low balto-slavic drift.
    My mother is from Romania with probably some russian or ukrainian ancestry. Does you know why on that calculator, she have significant levant like 14% if you look at my comment before?

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