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    Quote Originally Posted by michal3141 View Post
    Nice calc ph2ter!

    Could you explain a bit more how the refrence populations were constructed?

    Anyway my results (with Ugric):

    Target: michal3141
    Distance: 3.2695% / 0.03269477 | ADC: 2x RC
    100.0 __Slavic

    Target: michal3141
    Distance: 3.2695% / 0.03269477 | ADC: 1x RC
    100.0 __Slavic

    Target: michal3141
    Distance: 2.8449% / 0.02844891 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    83.8 __Slavic
    9.4 __IllyricRoman
    6.8 __Finnic

    Target: michal3141
    Distance: 2.8410% / 0.02841011 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    85.4 __Slavic
    9.0 __IllyricRoman
    4.0 __Finnic
    1.6 __Ugric

    Target: michal3141
    Distance: 2.8353% / 0.02835305
    85.6 __Slavic
    4.4 __IllyricRoman
    3.6 __Finnic
    2.8 __Levantine
    2.0 __Germanic
    1.6 __Ugric
    Code:
    50_VK2020_DNK_Jutland_IA__VK582
    100_VK2020_DNK_Sealand_IA__VK532
    300_VK2020_DNK_Sealand_IA__VK521
    400_VK2020_DNK_Sealand_IA__VK213
    350_VK2020_NOR_North_IA__VK418
    500_VK2020_NOR_South_IA__VK390
    500_VK2020_NOR_South_IA__VK391
    386_VK2020_SWE_Oland_IA__VK522
    460_England_Saxon__I0773
    505_HUN_MA_Szolad__SZ9
    671_ITA_Collegno_MA__CL151
    505_HUN_MA_Szolad__SZ16
    495_DEU_MA__STR_316
    505_DEU_MA__AED_106
    Germanic
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Celtic is not made of England Roman but from French IA samples (don't remember now exactly)
    
    
    590_HUN_Avar_Szolad__Av2
    1100_DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA__KRA011
    1100_DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA__KRA001
    1100_DEU_Krakauer_Berg_MA__KRA010
    RUS_Sunghir_MA__Sunghir6
    950_VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA__VK287
    Migration__POH41
    Slavic
    
    100_Levant_Beirut_ERoman__SFI-24
    100_Levant_Beirut_ERoman__SFI-33
    300_Levant_LBN_Roman__QED-2
    300_Levant_LBN_Roman__QED-7
    400_Levant_LBN_Roman__QED-12
    530_Levant_LBN_Roman__QED-4
    Levant
    
    
    500_FIN_Levanluhta_IA__DA234
    500_FIN_Levanluhta_IA__JK1968
    500_FIN_Levanluhta_IA__JK1970
    Finnic
    
    
    250_RUS_Alan_MA__DA162
    350_RUS_Alan_MA__DA243
    Alanic
    
    Illyric Roman is a mathematical construct, LateRoman is taken from G25 spreadsheet Late Antiquity Roman, Greek is made of Roman Imperial samples next to Levantine (don't remember now which ones)
     
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    Target: Lokidor_scaled
    Distance: 2.4855% / 0.02485496
    64.0 __Gallic
    25.6 __LateRoman
    10.4 __Germanic

    Target: Dalluin_scaled
    Distance: 2.5016% / 0.02501636
    47.0 __Gallic
    28.8 __Germanic
    24.2 __LateRoman
    YFull : YF83613

    Whats' else ??
    Pangea - Pannotia - Rodinia - Columbia - Kernoland - Ur - Vaalbara - ??

    Gaïa's Haplogroup : G2VR2a1

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    I ran iterations with the Ugric calc, then added Vasconic and Berber

    grandma, no additions
    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 2.9697% / 0.02969687
    92.8 __Gallic
    4.8 _Germanic
    2.4 __LateRoman

    added Iberic
    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 2.0538% / 0.02053804
    48.6 _Iberic
    38.4 _Germanic
    10.8 __IllyricRoman
    1.8 __Levantine
    0.4 __Slavic

    no Iberic, but added Vasconic and Berber
    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 2.1752% / 0.02175181
    53.0 __Vasconic
    31.8 _Germanic
    13.2 __IllyricRoman
    2.0 __Berber


    myself

    Target: boilermeschew827_scaled
    Distance: 1.8838% / 0.01883834
    40.8 __Slavic
    30.6 _Germanic
    23.6 __Gallic
    4.6 __Finnic
    0.4 __Levantine


    Target: boilermeschew827_scaled
    Distance: 1.6484% / 0.01648423
    45.0 __Slavic
    38.4 _Germanic
    13.2 _Iberic
    2.2 __Hunnic
    1.2 __IllyricRoman

    Target: boilermeschew827_scaled
    Distance: 1.6496% / 0.01649625
    44.6 __Slavic
    36.4 _Germanic
    15.4 __Vasconic
    2.2 __Hunnic
    1.4 __IllyricRoman

    There is a fine line between Gallic and Vasconic/Berber or Iberic in our case. Grandma plots closer to SW France I believe, this seems to make sense for a central French woman I got curious so I ran Iberic with Vasconic/Berber for both my grandma and myself:

    grandma
    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 1.9998% / 0.01999811
    46.6 _Iberic
    39.2 _Germanic
    12.2 __IllyricRoman
    2.0 __Berber

    myself
    Target: boilermeschew827_scaled
    Distance: 1.7887% / 0.01788658
    42.6 __Slavic
    35.8 _Germanic
    10.2 __Vasconic
    4.2 __Finnic
    4.0 _Iberic
    3.2 __IllyricRoman


    Maybe ADC will make a difference:

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 2.1420% / 0.02141964 | ADC: 0.25x
    33.6 __Gallic
    31.6 _Iberic
    21.4 _Germanic
    9.4 __Vasconic
    2.6 __IllyricRoman
    1.4 __Berber

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 2.4570% / 0.02456956 | ADC: 0.5x
    58.4 __Gallic
    38.4 __Vasconic
    3.2 _Germanic

    Target: boilermeschew827grandma_scaled
    Distance: 2.5371% / 0.02537073 | ADC: 1x
    70.8 __Gallic
    29.2 __Vasconic
    Known Ancestry: NW Russian 25%, Central French 25%, North German 25%, Scandinavian (mostly Dane/Swede, distant Norwegian) 12.5%, Polish/Prussian 12.5%

    AncestryDNA (2020 update): Eastern European and Russia 33%, Germanic Europe 32%, Sweden 10%, Norway 7%, Baltics 7%, France 5%, Scotland 4%, Finland 1%, Malta 1%

    23andMe (v5.9): French and German 41.1%, Eastern European 38%, Scandinavian 8%, Finnish 1.6%, British and Irish 0.8%, BNWE 10.2%, North African 0.2%, Broadly European 0.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    LOL, I'm not sure whether you're serious or NOT, but the FORMER YUGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA(FYROM) was the name of the country until two years ago when it was changed to North Macedonia in order to make distinction to Greek Macedonia. However there was never such thing as 'Fyromanians' apart from the nationalistic circles and ignorant communities around the world. The people were called Macedonians back then and now. You can put the 'ethnic' remark at the beginning in order to make distinction with the Greek Macedonians yet again.

    As for us the ethnic Macedonians, we are culturally and religiously Orthodox Christians first and foremost, not sure what culturally Slavic even means? Of course we are linguistically Slavic and as it happens, we have Slavic ancestry, doesn't matter much or less. You can make a case with various other people, for example the Turks. They too don't have more than > 30% Turkic genetics although I might be wrong about the Turks so someone can correct me. And yet, they speak Turkic derived language. The Romanians, how much of original Roman, Latin ancestry they have? I might be wrong but I believe they have even less than we have Slavic and yet, the Romanians happen to speak a Latin derived language.

    I seriously hope you've been just uninformed on the matter and not trying to provoke a politically motivated fights...
    it would have been best to name north-macedonia to the ancient area of Paeonia as that where it fits mostly geographically

    but if they want north-macedonia...so be it

    The exact original boundaries of Paeonia, like the early history of its inhabitants, are obscure, but it is known that it roughly corresponds to most of present-day North Macedonia and north-central parts of Greek Macedonia (i.e. probably the Greek municipalities of Paionia, Almopia, Sintiki, Irakleia, and Serres)


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, BY143483+ )


    Grandfather via paternal grandmother = I1-Y33791 ydna
    Great grandmother paternal side = T1a1e mtdna

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    Distance to: Mis_scaled {Słowianin }
    0.03154037 __Slavic
    0.05639047 __Germanic
    0.06648002 __Gallic
    0.12059630 __IllyricRoman
    0.12307112 __LateRoman
    0.14839003 __Alanic
    0.18114944 __Finnic
    0.18524516 __Greek
    0.20713656 __Levantine
    0.46305711 __Hunnic
    Target: Mis_scaled {Słowianin }
    Distance: 2.1478% / 0.02147814 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    71.6 __Slavic
    15.4 __Germanic
    13.0 __IllyricRoman

    Target: Mis_scaled
    Distance: 2.2722% / 0.02272193 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    74.0 __Slavic
    26.0 __Gallic
    0.02272193 74.00% __Slavic + 26.00% __Gallic

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    it would have been best to name north-macedonia to the ancient area of Paeonia as that where it fits mostly geographically

    but if they want north-macedonia...so be it

    The exact original boundaries of Paeonia, like the early history of its inhabitants, are obscure, but it is known that it roughly corresponds to most of present-day North Macedonia and north-central parts of Greek Macedonia (i.e. probably the Greek municipalities of Paionia, Almopia, Sintiki, Irakleia, and Serres)
    I might be wrong but sometimes I get the impression a lot of under-aged people posting on anthrogenica. With the risk of braking the rules and talking about politics in this section to explain to people who probably don't give 2 cents about me and the Macedonian people:

    Although historically there are plenty of evidence that the territory of N.Macedonia was considered as Macedonia (the Roman province of Macedonia II Salutaris literally overlapped with most of N.Macedonia), after the Renaissance, most of the western scholar's and cartographers widely included the territory of N.Macedonia into the region Macedonia.


    Borders of Macedonia, based on the Roman province, according to different authors (1843–1927)

    And Slavophone and Vlach people of the region of Macedonia used to describe themselves as Macedonians at least since the 19-th century, what the written sources can prove. Sometimes as a regional identity and sometimes as an ethnic one!

    Remember, it's everyones essential right to name and call himself as he wishes and NOT what other parties wish. N.Macedonia even came to terms with Greece in order to find a common agreement as to make distinction with Greek Macedonia.

    So please stop asking me unrelated and ignorant questions which have nothing to do with the thread!
    Distance to: Aspar_scaled
    0.01995435 35.00% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 65.00% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02156914 40.60% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 + 59.40% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02223177 55.20% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215 + 44.80% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
    0.02300447 61.80% BGR_IA:I5769 + 38.20% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny ola View Post
    The Slavic(or the steppe input if you want it) among North Macedonians is not that different from Bulgarians and Northern Greeks/Albanians.They seem a combination of native balkan folks and Slavs...like pretty much the majority of the people in balkans.What i am wondering about the region/place of modern N.Macedonia is how the people were genetically during the LBA/IA times before it become part of the Macedonian Empire.As we know from history the area was part of the the kingdom of Paeonia.I hope we are going to see samples from Northern Greece,N.Macedonia and southeast Albania.It is very likely these lands to had been genetically close to the Bulgaria IA sample we have.So,maybe more steppe admixed than Myceneans/Minoans.

    I think you are right.

    The Balkan IA samples we have are all similar to modern day central/north Italians. I am quite sure that before the Slavic Invasion the native Balkan people have similar amounts of Steppe/EEF+WHG as North+Central Italians.

    Target: Albanian
    Distance: 2.3579% / 0.02357948
    36.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    34.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    25.4 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    2.2 WHG
    0.8 Han
    VS

    Target: Italian_Tuscany
    Distance: 1.6588% / 0.01658775
    34.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    32.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    29.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
    3.4 WHG
    0.4 MAR_Taforalt
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    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 3.1640% / 0.03163963 | R3P
    64.4 __Germanic
    26.4 __IllyricRoman
    9.2 __Finnic

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    Target: V
    Distance: 1.8957% / 0.01895699
    49.6 Slavic
    27.6 __IllyricRoman
    21.8 __Greek
    1.0 __Finnic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    I think you are right.

    The Balkan IA samples we have are all similar to modern day central/north Italians. I am quite sure that before the Slavic Invasion the native Balkan people have similar amounts of Steppe/EEF+WHG as North+Central Italians.



    VS
    I think so.I am not sure if all of the the Illyrian or Thraco-Dacian tribes were genetically homogenous but i think they would had been overall between North Italians and the Croatian IA sample we have while others would had been in a more southern shifted version closer to Bulgaria IA sample and to Mycenaeans.But modern balkaners(Greeks inclunding) have a balto-slavic drift that pulls them towards to northeast EU.

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    Target: Luso_scaled
    Distance: 4.7388% / 0.04738787
    48.8 __LateRoman
    47.8 __Gallic
    3.4 __Finnic
    [1] "distance%=1.4173"

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    Roman_Colonial,12
    ITA_Sardinia_C_o,7.6
    Berber_EMA,3.4

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