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    Ancient genomes provide insights into EBA SE Europe

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-89090-x

    Accession for BAMs/FASTAs:
    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB38643

    Table with grave good/haplogroup info:
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    "Radiocarbon dating indicates that the Mokrin necropolis was used for 300 years, from around 2100–1800 cal BC."

    MAK15 (Grave 163) is listed as J2b. I just checked SNPs at J-M241 and J-L283. Of all the SNPs I checked, every single called one was positive. At J-M241 I found Z618, Z598, and Z610 all positive, while at J-L283 I found Z596, Z626, Z587, and Z590 all positive. Looking forward to further work from others to secure its exact placement, but it seems undoubtedly J2b-L283!

    Edit: See MAK15's placement on the YFull tree: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z615/
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    "When projected onto a PCA of European populations, all Mokrin samples fall within modern European genetic variation, clustering in the midst of modern northern, eastern, and southern Europeans (Supplementary Figure S3).

    We estimated individual admixture proportions under the assumption that the composition of a European Bronze Age population can be sufficiently well modeled with three components: Iron Gates hunter-gatherers, Aegean Neolithic farmers, and eastern European steppe-like populations. ... Pooling individuals, admixture proportions are estimated to be around 12.5% Iron Gates hunter gatherers, 53.7% Aegean Neolithic farmers, and 33.8% Eastern European steppe-like population."




    Supplementary Figure S3



    Supplementary Figure S4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philjames View Post




    Supplementary Figure S3



    Supplementary Figure S4
    How much do modern serbs score in these three components? That would be interesting to evaluate the slavic input in the balkans and vicinity. If anything the eastern urnfield and celtic input would have likely rised the steppe component before the early middle ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philjames View Post




    Supplementary Figure S3



    Supplementary Figure S4
    Mok 9b Mokrin 237
    Mok 12 Mokrin 122E
    Mok 13 Mokrin 122S
    Mok 14 Mokrin 161
    Mok 15 Mokrin 163
    Mok 16a Mokrin 181
    Mok 17a Mokrin 186
    Mok 18a Mokrin 211
    Mok 19a Mokrin 220
    Mok 20 Mokrin 223
    Mok 21a Mokrin 224
    Mok 22 Mokrin 225
    Mok 23 Mokrin 228
    Mok 24a Mokrin 243
    Mok 25a Mokrin 246
    Mok 26a Mokrin 247
    Mok 10b Mokrin 257A
    Mok 27 Mokrin 257B
    Mok 28a Mokrin 260
    Mok 29a Mokrin 282
    Mok 30 Mokrin 287
    Mok 31 Mokrin 288
    Mok 32 Mokrin 295
    Mok 33 Mokrin 302


    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK10B
    0.03566931 HRV_MBA
    0.04480797 HRV_IA
    0.04653633 HRV_EBA
    0.04818530 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.05159829 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.05437650 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02


    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK12
    0.04697458 HRV_MBA
    0.06185434 HRV_IA
    0.06391306 HRV_EBA
    0.06666369 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.06921912 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.07122043 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.09658128 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK13
    0.03032852 HRV_MBA
    0.05220104 HRV_IA
    0.05399686 HRV_EBA
    0.05705516 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.05859349 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.06772475 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK14
    0.04672605 HRV_MBA
    0.05490984 HRV_IA
    0.05565549 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.05669987 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.05848211 HRV_EBA
    0.06563351 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.07493490 Yamnaya_BGR


    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK15
    0.05649496 HRV_MBA
    0.05738262 HRV_IA
    0.06130824 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.06156083 HRV_EBA
    0.06303452 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.06722791 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.08748535 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK16A
    0.06658970 HRV_IA
    0.06686743 HRV_MBA
    0.07034830 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.07173342 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.07568108 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.07604630 HRV_EBA
    0.08385110 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK17A
    0.03361281 HRV_EBA
    0.03540546 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.03898802 HRV_MBA
    0.04067204 HRV_IA
    0.04091136 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.05540283 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.07988176 GRC_Mycenaean
    0.09224865 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK19A
    0.07887391 Corded_Ware_DEU_o
    0.08275252 Corded_Ware_CHE
    0.08347220 SRB_Iron_Gates_HG_o
    0.08356642 HRV_MBA
    0.08753749 SVK_EBA
    0.09807155 Corded_Ware_Baltic

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK20
    0.03650637 HRV_MBA
    0.05797662 HRV_EBA
    0.05860644 HRV_IA
    0.06122356 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.06367857 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.06646223 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.08931156 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK21A
    0.07285444 Corded_Ware_DEU_o
    0.07915127 Corded_Ware_CHE
    0.08662571 SVK_EBA
    0.08706233 Corded_Ware_Baltic
    0.09136827 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK22
    0.07447212 SRB_Iron_Gates_HG_o
    0.08136419 Corded_Ware_DEU_o
    0.09469461 Corded_Ware_CHE
    0.09582431 HRV_MBA
    0.09873672 SVK_EBA
    0.10158966 ROU_C_o

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK23
    0.07942560 Corded_Ware_DEU_o
    0.08739983 SRB_Iron_Gates_HG_o
    0.09024026 Corded_Ware_CHE
    0.09414183 Corded_Ware_Baltic
    0.09598476 SVK_EBA
    0.09665534 Corded_Ware_Proto-Unetice_POL
    0.10360422 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK24A
    0.05588576 HRV_IA
    0.05726673 HRV_MBA
    0.06191242 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.06341587 HRV_EBA
    0.06349432 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.06789925 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.08069792 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK25A
    0.04633817 HRV_MBA
    0.05398857 HRV_IA
    0.06014007 HRV_EBA
    0.06164861 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.06502355 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.06594377 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.08907347 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK26A
    0.03298337 HRV_MBA
    0.05401425 HRV_IA
    0.05746633 HRV_EBA
    0.05921410 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.06157897 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.06477801 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.09104963 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK27
    0.03585236 HRV_MBA
    0.04813198 HRV_IA
    0.05361397 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.05407167 HRV_EBA
    0.05640002 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.05952724 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.09073647 Yamnaya_BGR


    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK28A
    0.07579647 Corded_Ware_CHE
    0.07755211 Corded_Ware_DEU_o
    0.08280943 SVK_EBA
    0.08570282 Corded_Ware_Baltic
    0.08917158 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK29A
    0.04088370 HRV_IA
    0.04135543 HRV_MBA
    0.04959456 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.05240865 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.05253442 HRV_EBA
    0.05610806 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.08145497 Yamnaya_BGR

    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK30
    0.07421130 Corded_Ware_DEU_o
    0.08118086 Corded_Ware_CHE
    0.08301730 SRB_Iron_Gates_HG_o
    0.08312179 HRV_MBA
    0.08725052 SVK_EBA


    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK31
    0.03474942 HRV_IA
    0.03734324 HRV_MBA
    0.04302683 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.04540009 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.04773393 HRV_EBA
    0.05697867 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.08397594 GRC_Mycenaean


    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK32
    0.04878172 HRV_IA
    0.05041488 HRV_MBA
    0.05371077 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.05567820 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.05583574 HRV_EBA
    0.06037526 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.07770256 Yamnaya_BGR


    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK33
    0.05970599 HRV_IA
    0.06186801 HRV_MBA
    0.06478667 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.06709622 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.06778251 HRV_EBA
    0.06977293 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.09029467 Yamnaya_BGR


    Distance to: SRB_Mokrin_EBA:MOK9B
    0.05167874 HRV_IA
    0.05229078 HRV_MBA
    0.05449454 GRC_Helladic_MBA
    0.05697388 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log04
    0.06037522 HRV_EBA
    0.06057084 GRC_Helladic_MBA:Log02
    0.07659346 Yamnaya_BGR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philjames View Post
    This PCA quite obviously isn't done correctly.
    Norwegians should be plotting close to the Birtish and Icelanders, Croats with other Central/East Europeans, and Sicilians close to the Cypriots.



    I think this is affecting the Mokrin samples too, and they should also be shifted to the left.



    they plot exactly like that in G25 (some overlap with Spanish and French, others more to the "north".)


    in this case, their conclusion is also wrong. They aren't entirely in the modern European range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrusco View Post
    How much do modern serbs score in these three components? That would be interesting to evaluate the slavic input in the balkans and vicinity. If anything the eastern urnfield and celtic input would have likely rised the steppe component before the early middle ages.
    these samples aren't very relevant for Serbs.
    Serbs formed south of the Sava and Danube where the pre-Slavic population was very different, and started migrating to the Mokrin area only in the 14th century.
    For Serbs the pre-Slavic population was most likely like BGR_IA:I5769.

    when using that or a similar popualtion, there is around 50-60% Slavic input (depending on the exact samples used)

    Target: Serbian
    Distance: 1.5602% / 0.01560223
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    38.0 BGR_IA

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    It seems the I2 subclades the Mokrin individuals carried are uncommon and sparsely disturbed in modern populations. They have no presence in the Balkans, with the single exception being a Bulgarian downstream of Y13336.
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    I'm not very knowledgeable about R1b subclades. Does anyone know how the R1b Mokrin lineages relate to modern pops or other ancients?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psynome View Post
    I'm not very knowledgeable about R1b subclades. Does anyone know how the R1b Mokrin lineages relate to modern pops or other ancients?
    I couldn't get a reliable call further than R-Z2110/S17864 for any of them; anyway, concerning modern distribution, these samples are too recent to have been ancestral to most subclades below R-Z2110.

    In terms of ancient samples, I'm only aware of a few Afanasevo samples from the Altai who are upstream of Z2110 under Z2108*.
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    Is it me or do they look like modern day central Europeans with even a couple leaning towards the UK? The YDNA seems to be the type found in Yamnaya, including both the I2-M223 and the R1b-Z2103 that spans the east but as far west as Ireland. Doesn't seem to resemble contemporary Serbians at all. Maybe even good ol' Benny Affleck is a descendant of the J2b2 guy.
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