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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwāz View Post
    Ah great, thanks!
    Is your paternal line Kurdish as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Is your paternal line Kurdish as well?


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    Alalakh was the only Semite land and it's not part of Anatolia geographically

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwāz View Post
    That's very interesting, may I know your tribe if that's alright?
    Reşwan tribe Sfkan branch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Which Y-DNA haplogroup do you belong to?
    E-M84 i guess local ME haplo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwāz View Post
    Yessir
    Which tribe and haplogroup do you belong to?

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    I checked out a Neolithic Anatolian kit at GedMatch
    I checked the admixture.
    I also checked the oracle which I find a lot more important because it shows what populations a particular genome is close to.
    Neolithic Anatolians are closest to modern Southern Europeans, European Jews, and North African Jews.
    No modern Middle Eastern nor Caucasian populations show up.
    All of them are over 10 distance and even over 20 distance, and so they're not genetically close to Neolithic Anatolians.
    If you look at all these populations in relation to each other, they seem genetically close to each other. Southern Europeans, European Jews, and North African Jews are genetically close to each other.

    Modern Turkey isn't the ancestral homeland of the Turks. Turkic people didn't enter Anatolia until the Middle Ages. People have been living in Anatolia for over 15,000 years. Recent linguistic, genetic and archaeological evidence suggests that the earliest Turkic peoples descended from communities in Northeast China who moved into Mongolia in the late 3rd millennium BC.


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    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 52.14
    2 Caucasus 32.5
    3 Southwest_Asian 14.11
    4 Northwest_African 1.13
    5 East_African 0.07
    6 Southeast_Asian 0.06


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sardinian (HGDP) 21.55
    2 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.19
    3 TSI30 (Metspalu) 23.32
    4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 23.53
    5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.23
    6 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.29
    7 North_Italian (HGDP) 24.81
    8 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.45
    9 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 26.12
    10 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 27.21
    11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 27.25
    12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 27.98
    13 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 27.99
    14 Murcia (1000Genomes) 28.06
    15 Baleares (1000Genomes) 28.46
    16 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 28.88
    17 Canarias (1000Genomes) 29.43
    18 Greek (Dodecad) 29.88
    19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 30.59
    20 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 30.73
    paternal ancestry is African American with English and Acadian
    maternal ancestry is Cape Verdean, Ashkenazi Jewish (from Romania and Latvia), Puerto Rican, Madeiran, Azorean, English, Scottish, German, Irish, Swiss, Welsh, Dutch, Frisian


    Eurogenes K13
    Sub_Saharan 47.34%
    North_Atlantic 18.75%
    West_Med 9.90%
    East_Med 6.70%
    Baltic 4.70%
    Northeast_African 3.60%
    West_Asian 2.73%
    Amerindian 2.38%
    Red_Sea 1.86%
    East_Asian 1.20%
    Siberian 0.64%
    Oceanian 0.11%
    South Asian 0.10%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glaucus View Post
    I checked out a Neolithic Anatolian kit at GedMatch
    I checked the admixture.
    I also checked the oracle which I find a lot more important because it shows what populations a particular genome is close to.
    Neolithic Anatolians are closest to modern Southern Europeans, European Jews, and North African Jews.
    No modern Middle Eastern nor Caucasian populations show up.
    All of them are over 10 distance and even over 20 distance, and so they're not genetically close to Neolithic Anatolians.
    If you look at all these populations in relation to each other, they seem genetically close to each other. Southern Europeans, European Jews, and North African Jews are genetically close to each other.

    Modern Turkey isn't the ancestral homeland of the Turks. Turkic people didn't enter Anatolia until the Middle Ages. People have been living in Anatolia for over 15,000 years. Recent linguistic, genetic and archaeological evidence suggests that the earliest Turkic peoples descended from communities in Northeast China who moved into Mongolia in the late 3rd millennium BC.


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    Dodecad K12b

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic_Med 52.14
    2 Caucasus 32.5
    3 Southwest_Asian 14.11
    4 Northwest_African 1.13
    5 East_African 0.07
    6 Southeast_Asian 0.06


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sardinian (HGDP) 21.55
    2 Tuscan (HGDP) 23.19
    3 TSI30 (Metspalu) 23.32
    4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 23.53
    5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.23
    6 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 24.29
    7 North_Italian (HGDP) 24.81
    8 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.45
    9 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 26.12
    10 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 27.21
    11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 27.25
    12 O_Italian (Dodecad) 27.98
    13 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 27.99
    14 Murcia (1000Genomes) 28.06
    15 Baleares (1000Genomes) 28.46
    16 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 28.88
    17 Canarias (1000Genomes) 29.43
    18 Greek (Dodecad) 29.88
    19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 30.59
    20 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 30.73
    It is well known that modern day Turkey isn‘t the ancestral homeland of Anatolian Turks. It is also known that the Neolithic component has its highest peak in Sardinia. They are genetic outliers in Europe because of their historical Isolation. Anatolia was always a melting pot of different cultures, civilization and nationalities.

    K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

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    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 48.34
    2 East_Med 40.08
    3 North_Atlantic 7.72
    4 Red_Sea 3.87

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Sardinian 20.71
    2 Algerian_Jewish 25.83
    3 Italian_Jewish 27.53
    4 South_Italian 29.01
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 29.53
    6 Libyan_Jewish 29.87
    7 Tunisian_Jewish 29.97
    8 West_Sicilian 30.07
    9 East_Sicilian 30.74
    10 Ashkenazi 31.03
    11 Tunisian 31.43
    12 Cyprian 31.55
    13 Central_Greek 31.63
    14 Moroccan 32.06
    15 Algerian 32.5
    16 Mozabite_Berber 32.55
    17 Tuscan 32.99
    18 Italian_Abruzzo 33.8
    19 Greek_Thessaly 34.6
    20 Samaritan 34.99

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 69.7% Sardinian + 30.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 14.68
    2 68.5% Sardinian + 31.5% Samaritan @ 14.7
    3 76% Sardinian + 24% Yemenite_Jewish @ 15.06
    4 72.8% Sardinian + 27.2% Lebanese_Druze @ 15.53
    5 67% Sardinian + 33% Cyprian @ 15.73
    6 73.2% Sardinian + 26.8% Palestinian @ 15.99
    7 74.1% Sardinian + 25.9% Jordanian @ 16.38
    8 61.3% Sardinian + 38.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 16.46
    9 66.7% Sardinian + 33.3% Tunisian_Jewish @ 16.5
    10 66.6% Sardinian + 33.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 16.5
    11 74.3% Sardinian + 25.7% Egyptian @ 16.56
    12 79% Sardinian + 21% Saudi @ 16.66
    13 75.1% Sardinian + 24.9% Bedouin @ 16.67
    14 73.4% Sardinian + 26.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 16.69
    15 77% Sardinian + 23% Kurdish_Jewish @ 16.73
    16 77.6% Sardinian + 22.4% Iranian_Jewish @ 16.85
    17 74.1% Sardinian + 25.9% Syrian @ 16.85
    18 64.6% Sardinian + 35.4% Italian_Jewish @ 16.95
    19 78% Sardinian + 22% Assyrian @ 17.21
    20 68.2% Sardinian + 31.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 17.49

    This post was stolen from Piquerobi who posted some Neolithic results on another thread. The distances are still too far away from modern populations, which is quite normal.

    West Anatolia was also a melting pot of different empires and tribes. Unfortunately I can‘t say too much about the history. But I doubt any huge Semitic influence in that region. Maybe there were some seafarers who left a genetic impact. My assumption is that they were close to Minoans.

    I only found 3 Minoan results on TA (unfortunately) but I'll only post one of it. I Hope it's okay to share it.

    1 West_Med 40.08
    2 East_Med 37.68
    3 Atlantic 12.12
    4 West_Asian 8.57
    5 Red_Sea 1.56

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Algerian_Jewish 21.4
    2 Sardinian 21.83
    3 Italian_Jewish 22.85
    4 South_Italian 23.52
    5 Sephardic_Jewish 24.18
    6 Tunisian_Jewish 25.07
    7 West_Sicilian 25.16
    8 Cyprian 25.3
    9 Libyan_Jewish 25.46
    10 East_Sicilian 25.71
    11 Central_Greek 26.04
    12 Italian_Abruzzo 27.8
    13 Tuscan 27.95
    14 Greek 28.11
    15 Ashkenazi 28.15
    16 Greek_Thessaly 29.42
    17 Samaritan 29.58
    18 Tunisian 29.84
    19 Algerian 30.74
    20 Mozabite_Berber 31.2

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 61% Sardinian + 39% Lebanese_Christian @ 11.02
    2 63.1% Sardinian + 36.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 11.12
    3 59.5% Sardinian + 40.5% Samaritan @ 11.47
    4 54.9% Sardinian + 45.1% Cyprian @ 11.9
    5 65.6% Sardinian + 34.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 12.27
    6 66.5% Sardinian + 33.5% Iranian_Jewish @ 12.76
    7 64.3% Sardinian + 35.7% Palestinian @ 13.15
    8 62.6% Sardinian + 37.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 13.26
    9 66.5% Sardinian + 33.5% Assyrian @ 13.34
    10 64.9% Sardinian + 35.1% Jordanian @ 13.77
    11 55.3% Sardinian + 44.7% Tunisian_Jewish @ 13.87
    12 63.7% Sardinian + 36.3% Syrian @ 13.88
    13 55.9% Sardinian + 44.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 13.9
    14 50.9% Algerian_Jewish + 49.1% Sardinian @ 14.02
    15 71.6% Sardinian + 28.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 14.1
    16 68.9% Sardinian + 31.1% Georgian_Jewish @ 14.32
    17 68.9% Sardinian + 31.1% Armenian @ 14.59
    18 52% Sardinian + 48% Italian_Jewish @ 14.74
    19 54.4% Sardinian + 45.6% Sephardic_Jewish @ 14.86
    20 68.2% Sardinian + 31.8% Bedouin @ 15.34
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Which tribe and haplogroup do you belong to?
    I belong to the Herk tribe, I haven't taken a test and I nowhere found anyone who did so for the time being I do not know my haplogroup. What about you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zafomafo View Post
    Reşwan tribe Sfkan branch.
    Hi, I tried a model I made on your coords.

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    Distance: 2.0744% / 0.02074442
    64.0 Iran_&_Turan_(ChL&BA)
    21.8 Eurasian_Steppe_(MLBA)
    12.0 Levant_(EBA)
    2.2 Mongolia_(BA)
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