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Thread: Were pre-Turkic Anatolians genetically Semitic?

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    Genetically semitic doesn't make much sense just like genetically "Indo-European" doesnt make sense either. These are linguistic categories. But I'm assuming you're asking if they fit into the Levantine cluster and the answer is yes for Alalalakh(no surprise there) and no for the others which seem to be more Armenian or Greek shifted.

    Distance to: TUR_Alalakh_MLBA
    0.01963226 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
    0.02049119 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
    0.02355437 Lebanese_Christian
    0.02927717 Druze
    0.03125921 Lebanese_Druze
    0.03253587 Samaritan
    0.03268588 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.03269209 Iraqi_Jew
    0.03648607 Cypriot
    0.03912527 Karaite_Egypt
    0.04180852 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.04255710 Cypriot_B
    0.04523220 Syrian_Jew
    0.04534223 Armenian_B
    0.04679088 Iranian_Jew
    0.04737490 Lebanese_Muslim_Shia
    0.04832971 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.05006025 Assyrian
    0.05043882 Iraqi_B
    0.05055283 Georgian_Jew
    0.05166141 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.05346867 Armenian
    0.05481970 Romaniote_Jew
    0.05506186 Mountain_Jew
    0.05507430 Jordanian_B

    Distance to: TUR_Isparta_EBA
    0.03856446 Cypriot_B
    0.04318825 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.04470607 Cypriot
    0.04566926 Greek_Kos
    0.04584918 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.05014230 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.05478131 Romaniote_Jew
    0.05585741 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
    0.05631840 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
    0.05751645 Lebanese_Christian
    0.05763908 Druze
    0.05944155 Greek_Crete
    0.06068180 Armenian_B
    0.06094956 Italian_Calabria
    0.06095001 Syrian_Jew
    0.06154781 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.06157186 Lebanese_Druze
    0.06172304 Italian_Jew
    0.06259361 Turkish_Trabzon
    0.06272068 Sephardic_Jew
    0.06379247 Italian_Campania
    0.06426588 Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.06706161 Italian_Basilicata
    0.06723592 Greek_Trabzon
    0.06855966 Karaite_Egypt

    Distance to: TUR_Arslantepe_EBA
    0.03581211 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
    0.03662687 Armenian_B
    0.03691122 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
    0.04114281 Druze
    0.04131106 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.04171803 Cypriot
    0.04183357 Lebanese_Christian
    0.04265655 Iraqi_Jew
    0.04283248 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.04312949 Lebanese_Druze
    0.04378153 Cypriot_B
    0.04442962 Armenian
    0.04473532 Turkish_Trabzon
    0.04742034 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.04763612 Greek_Trabzon
    0.04850542 Assyrian
    0.05043222 Georgian_Jew
    0.05101287 Karaite_Egypt
    0.05279860 Syrian_Jew
    0.05364272 Iranian_Jew
    0.05393421 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.05461077 Armenian_Hemsheni
    0.05529743 Samaritan
    0.05715161 Mountain_Jew
    0.05850294 Greek_Dodecanese

    Distance to: TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
    0.03068484 Cypriot_B
    0.03523072 Cypriot
    0.03761638 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.04051698 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.04195622 Greek_Dodecanese
    0.04380109 Greek_Kos
    0.04454516 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
    0.04534368 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
    0.04598756 Romaniote_Jew
    0.04664703 Druze
    0.04782494 Lebanese_Christian
    0.04987324 Lebanese_Druze
    0.05012130 Syrian_Jew
    0.05236175 Armenian_B
    0.05467909 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.05468214 Sephardic_Jew
    0.05540936 Italian_Jew
    0.05590048 Karaite_Egypt
    0.05659734 Greek_Crete
    0.05694577 Turkish_Trabzon
    0.05853727 Italian_Calabria
    0.05933382 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.06010914 Greek_Trabzon
    0.06063381 Ashkenazi_Germany
    0.06076711 Armenian

    Distance to: TUR_Titris_Hoyuk_EBA
    0.05195755 Armenian_B
    0.05475835 Lebanese_Christian_Greek_Orthodox
    0.05485080 Iraqi_Jew
    0.05492402 Lebanese_Christian_Maronite
    0.05693931 Greek_Cappadocia
    0.05704011 Turkish_Trabzon
    0.05749621 Lebanese_Christian
    0.05792011 Armenian
    0.05797506 Greek_Central_Anatolia
    0.05869989 Druze
    0.05907707 Greek_Trabzon
    0.05929160 Lebanese_Druze
    0.06019916 Cypriot
    0.06106919 Cypriot_B
    0.06143378 Assyrian
    0.06306567 Georgian_Jew
    0.06340608 Iranian_Jew
    0.06512305 Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
    0.06566499 Armenian_Hemsheni
    0.06760066 Karaite_Egypt
    0.06863520 Lebanese_Muslim
    0.07013489 Samaritan
    0.07057729 Mountain_Jew
    0.07104066 Iraqi_B
    0.07116625 Syrian_Jew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leper View Post

    Cypriots have high levels of Levant_BA like ancestry; Anatolians don't, except for Alalakh and Titris Hoyuk samples (also additional Iran_C-related ancestry in Titris), but these samples are from places that are not part of traditional Anatolia.
    You don't happen to have GEDmatch kits for the Alalakh or Titris samples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leper View Post
    Define "genetically Semitic."

    I would say no. They descended mostly from Bronze Age Anatolians (Kaman/Ovaoren/Isparta-like populations), who in turn descended almost fully from Chalcolithic Anatolians, who in turn were a mixture of Anatolia_N and CHG+Iran_N. Pre-IE Anatolian languages (such as Hattic) are thought to be either isolate languages or Caucasus-related languages (introduced by a CHG-rich people from the east if true).


    Cypriots have high levels of Levant_BA like ancestry; Anatolians don't, except for Alalakh and Titris Hoyuk samples (also additional Iran_C-related ancestry in Titris), but these samples are from places that are not part of traditional Anatolia.


    Caucasus_BA: RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya + Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
    Anatolia_BA: TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA + TUR_Ovaoren_BA

    People forget Anatolia isn't all of Turkey.

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