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    Quote Originally Posted by MiranZai View Post
    You are correct, there are no big difference between the three major Baluchistan ethnics because they adapted and live-in within a similar environment region, nevertheless each ethnic has its unique DNA frequency due the fine-tuned environmental factors in each zone.

    The reason why the Sindi ethnics have significant notable difference DNA frequency from the Gedrosian cluster (Makrani/Balochi/Brahui), because they adapted to a different environmental shifting zone which is between these three ethnics regions and these factors also applied to other ethnics / races.







    My ethnic is Makrani not Sidi, and I’m “Caucasian” race, my ancestor lived in the Central Makran Range for many generations. I was explaining about the Sidi ethnic for the African admixture part because some people have confusion about it and think the Makrani ethnic is came from the recent African migration to the region.

    The assumed peak point for the Makrani component is located in Makran Coastal Range and it’s extended to other nearby regions, so if other Non-Gedrosian native ethnics find a lower “Balochi” percentage in their results that mean he is in the fade environmental zone of the Balochistan component and it’s not necessarily genetically related to them.






    I got also a “Parsi” results on the MDLP World 22 & MDLP World calculators! Maybe because there are some similarities of the DNA frequency!









    I don't think the genetic map you linked is completely accurate. I've seen it debunked on Reddit. For example Pashtuns are very similar to Punjabis and Parsis are more than half South Asian on the map.

    The reason you get Parsi on your single population sharing is because Parsis and Makranis superficially have similar genetics (Iran+South Asia).

    That being said, the distance between you and the Parsi sample is quite small. I get distances over 8 with the Parsi sample. Could someone explain why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azbuzz View Post
    I don't think the genetic map you linked is completely accurate. I've seen it debunked on Reddit. For example Pashtuns are very similar to Punjabis and Parsis are more than half South Asian on the map.

    The reason you get Parsi on your single population sharing is because Parsis and Makranis superficially have similar genetics (Iran+South Asia).

    That being said, the distance between you and the Parsi sample is quite small. I get distances over 8 with the Parsi sample. Could someone explain why?
    I have linked the genetic map to show the similarity of the Gedrosian three cluster (Makrani/Balochi/Brahui) which many other genetic studies and figures confirmed about it, for the other ethnic’s groups which you have mentioned I’m not sure about its diversities accuracy level because it depends on many factors.

    Could you link the debunked study about the genetic map?

    Regarding the population distance I think it’s accuracy level dependency also varies from one calculator to other based how much samples participation were involved in the study and their information credibility. For me I will trust the overall cumulative results, so for my case the “Makrani” distance is the accurate one because it matches the reality and our family history records.

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    Is there any reason why the distance between you and the Makrani sample in the single population distance is so much?
    His distance to the HGDP Makrani average is not exceptionally large. There are other Makrani HGDP samples that are further away than him. Keep in mind that these are HarappaWorld distances and not directly comparable to G25 distances. In Global 25, his simulated coordinates are only at a distance of 2.2 from the Makrani Average and he falls within the cluster.

     
    Sample Distance
    Makrani: HGDP00141 3.0576
    Makrani: HGDP00136 3.0808
    Makrani: HGDP00161 4.2543
    Makrani: HGDP00134 4.2764
    Makrani: HGDP00144 4.7714
    Makrani: HGDP00160 5.8528
    Makrani: HGDP00148 5.8547
    Makrani: HGDP00135 6.2013
    Makrani: HGDP00145 6.6844
    Makrani: HGDP00137 6.7234
    Makrani: HGDP00131 6.9528
    Makrani: HGDP00139 7.1855
    Makrani: HGDP00153 7.5602
    Makrani: HGDP00151 7.7945
    Makrani: HGDP00155 8.2674
    Makrani: HGDP00140 8.3882
    Makrani: HGDP00146 8.9544
    Makrani: HGDP00133 9.832
    Makrani: HGDP00158 10.5381
    Makrani: HGDP00157 11.3933
    Makrani: HGDP00154 11.9557
    Makrani: HGDP00149 17.4746
    Makrani: HGDP00150 18.0186
    Makrani: HGDP00143 18.4475
    Makrani: HGDP00130 36.4055


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    Quote Originally Posted by GenoPlot View Post
    His distance to the HGDP Makrani average is not exceptionally large. There are other Makrani HGDP samples that are further away than him. Keep in mind that these are HarappaWorld distances and not directly comparable to G25 distances. In Global 25, his simulated coordinates are only at a distance of 2.2 from the Makrani Average and he falls within the cluster.

     
    Sample Distance
    Makrani: HGDP00141 3.0576
    Makrani: HGDP00136 3.0808
    Makrani: HGDP00161 4.2543
    Makrani: HGDP00134 4.2764
    Makrani: HGDP00144 4.7714
    Makrani: HGDP00160 5.8528
    Makrani: HGDP00148 5.8547
    Makrani: HGDP00135 6.2013
    Makrani: HGDP00145 6.6844
    Makrani: HGDP00137 6.7234
    Makrani: HGDP00131 6.9528
    Makrani: HGDP00139 7.1855
    Makrani: HGDP00153 7.5602
    Makrani: HGDP00151 7.7945
    Makrani: HGDP00155 8.2674
    Makrani: HGDP00140 8.3882
    Makrani: HGDP00146 8.9544
    Makrani: HGDP00133 9.832
    Makrani: HGDP00158 10.5381
    Makrani: HGDP00157 11.3933
    Makrani: HGDP00154 11.9557
    Makrani: HGDP00149 17.4746
    Makrani: HGDP00150 18.0186
    Makrani: HGDP00143 18.4475
    Makrani: HGDP00130 36.4055


    I was asking because on the Harrapaworld distances he is quite close to Parsis and other Parsis are closer to the Makrani samples than he is. Any reason for this? It peaked my interest because I'm Parsi myself and I get distances of 11 to the Parsi sample and he is almost twice as close to the sample as I am. Any reason for this?

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....Results-Parsis

    My results (his South Asian/South Indian is even lower than mine):


     

    FIRST CALCULATOR
    Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 33.34
    2 Baloch 26.27
    3 S-Indian 14.65
    4 SW-Asian 12.77
    5 Mediterranean 5.8
    6 NE-Euro 5.45
    7 Beringian 0.72
    8 San 0.38
    9 Papuan 0.31
    10 NE-Asian 0.18
    11 American 0.13

    iranian (behar) 11.37
    2 iranian (harappa) 12.2
    3 kurd (harappa) 12.78
    4 turkmen (yunusbayev) 15.27
    5 iraqi-arab (harappa) 15.8

    SECOND

    West_Asian 33.69
    2 East_Med 26.04
    3 South_Asian 20.83
    4 Red_Sea 6.1
    5 West_Med 4.85
    6 Baltic 3.19
    7 North_Atlantic 3.18
    8 Northeast_African 1.28
    9 East_Asian 0.83
    10 Siberian 0.01

    Iranian 10.89
    2 Kurdish 13.24
    3 Azeri 13.26
    4 Turkmen 17.21
    5 Turkish 17.53
    6 Armenian 19.41
    7 Georgian_Jewish 19.43
    8 Iranian_Jewish 20.18
    9 Assyrian 20.23
    10 Afghan_Pashtun 20.75
    11 Kumyk 20.78
    12 Makrani 20.9


    THIRD

    Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 31.65
    2 South_Central_Asian 26.47
    3 Near_East 12.61
    4 South_Indian 12.41
    5 European_Early_Farmers 5.46
    6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.19
    7 Arctic 2.81
    8 Ancestral_Altaic 2.08
    9 Austronesian 1.62
    10 African_Pygmy 0.85
    11 North_African 0.37
    12 Archaic_Human 0.24
    13 East_African 0.22

    Population (source) Distance
    1 Iranian ( ) 8.17
    2 Parsi ( ) 11.66
    3 Kurd_South ( ) 13.03
    4 Kurd_East ( ) 14.39
    5 Iraki ( ) 17.38


    FOURTH

    Population Percent
    1 West-Asian 42.74
    2 Indian 15.15
    3 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 14.13
    4 Near_East 13.93
    5 North-East-European 5.04
    6 Indo-Iranian 3.91
    7 Indo-Tibetan 1.83
    8 North-Siberean 1.44
    9 North-European-Mesolithic 0.94
    10 South-African 0.78
    11 Pygmy 0.08
    12 Melanesian 0.02

    1) Parsi (derived) 10.5
    2 Iranian (derived) 11.75
    3 Azeri (derived) 12.36
    4 Kurd (derived) 13.21
    5 Turk (derived) 15.16
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    These are some of my mixed mode results for the secondary population:


    Ancient Eurasia K6




    Dodecad K12b




    Gedrosia K12




    MDLP World-22




    Harappa World




    puntDNAL K10 Ancient




    Eurogenes K13




    For anyone who wondering why I’m getting close distance to the “Levant region” population references, I think you might find some answers and explanations in the genetic article research titled:

    “African and Levantine origins of Pakistani YAP+ Y chromosomes”



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    Quote Originally Posted by MiranZai View Post
    These are some of my mixed mode results for the secondary population:


    Ancient Eurasia K6




    Dodecad K12b




    Gedrosia K12




    MDLP World-22




    Harappa World




    puntDNAL K10 Ancient




    Eurogenes K13




    For anyone who wondering why I’m getting close distance to the “Levant region” population references, I think you might find some answers and explanations in the genetic article research titled:

    “African and Levantine origins of Pakistani YAP+ Y chromosomes”



    This is a 2017 DNA study on the Brahui:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5378296/

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    This is a 2017 DNA study on the Brahui:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5378296/
    In one of the British writer publications, it said many of the Brahui originally were Baloch tribes who changed identity when they joined the Brahui rulers of Kalat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azbuzz View Post
    I don't think the genetic map you linked is completely accurate. I've seen it debunked on Reddit. For example Pashtuns are very similar to Punjabis and Parsis are more than half South Asian on the map.

    The reason you get Parsi on your single population sharing is because Parsis and Makranis superficially have similar genetics (Iran+South Asia).

    That being said, the distance between you and the Parsi sample is quite small. I get distances over 8 with the Parsi sample. Could someone explain why?
    I’ve sort of mentioned it in a previous post this before but the graphs aren’t wrong. The HGDP Pathan/Pakhtun samples from around Kurram aren’t worlds apart to biradari Punjabis (even if you exclude the South Asian shifted outliers in the dataset). This applies to Northern Pakhtuns (N2KL provinces/parts of rural Kabul in Afghanistan + Northern FATA/North KPK/Chitral) in general who have higher IVCp ancestry on average than their Southern/Central Pashtun counterparts (Kandahar, Quetta, Ghazni, South Waziristan, etc). It’s very visible on G25 distances and PCA. See group average checkfit distances:

    Distance to: Punjabi_Sikh_India
    0.01179695 Khatri
    0.01428533 Punjabi_Jatt
    0.01891289 Gujar_Pakistan
    0.01937148 Kohistani
    0.02292932 Sindhi
    0.02396197 Kamboj
    0.02458739 Kashmiri_Pandit
    0.02913764 Gujar_India
    0.03636377 Pashtun
    0.03777181 Brahmin_Gujarat
    0.03863118 Ror
    0.03869004 Yusufzai
    0.04343444 Jatt_Pathak
    0.04658561 Uthmankhel
    0.04831299 Tarkalani
    0.05014898 Burusho
    0.05215906 Kho_Singanali
    0.05331894 Kalash
    0.06992909 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh
    0.07174858 Kshatriya
    0.07631538 Brahmin_West_Bengal
    0.07857783 Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu
    0.07971264 Iyer
    0.08400449 Brahui
    0.08562625 Tajik_Ishkashim

    Distance to: Punjabi_Jatt
    0.01428533 Punjabi_Sikh_India
    0.01704015 Khatri
    0.02244684 Kamboj
    0.02421461 Gujar_Pakistan
    0.02563772 Kohistani
    0.02760116 Sindhi
    0.03066600 Kashmiri_Pandit
    0.03082475 Ror
    0.03211699 Pashtun
    0.03367753 Yusufzai

    0.03600875 Jatt_Pathak
    0.03928129 Gujar_India
    0.04051143 Uthmankhel
    0.04244486 Tarkalani
    0.04646072 Kalash
    0.04749194 Kho_Singanali

    0.04858766 Brahmin_Gujarat
    0.05608300 Burusho
    0.07830216 Brahui
    0.07871488 Tajik_Ishkashim
    0.07907543 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh
    0.08049435 Balochi
    0.08173390 Kshatriya
    0.08494219 Iran_Baloch
    0.08665491 Brahmin_West_Bengal

    Distance to: Khatri
    0.01179695 Punjabi_Sikh_India
    0.01399123 Kohistani
    0.01482716 Gujar_Pakistan
    0.01704015 Punjabi_Jatt
    0.01717396 Sindhi
    0.01814406 Kamboj
    0.02398967 Kashmiri_Pandit
    0.03089405 Pashtun
    0.03220542 Yusufzai
    0.03282191 Gujar_India
    0.04077288 Uthmankhel
    0.04141937 Ror
    0.04154608 Tarkalani
    0.04436381 Brahmin_Gujarat
    0.04569681 Jatt_Pathak
    0.04804342 Kalash
    0.04843116 Kho_Singanali
    0.04959246 Burusho
    0.07545850 Brahui
    0.07830198 Balochi
    0.07834021 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh
    0.07883307 Kshatriya
    0.08244711 Tajik_Ishkashim
    0.08261482 Iran_Baloch
    0.08338482 Brahmin_West_Bengal

    Distance to: Kamboj
    0.01691193 Pashtun
    0.01728526 Yusufzai

    0.01814406 Khatri
    0.02244684 Punjabi_Jatt
    0.02320788 Kohistani
    0.02396197 Punjabi_Sikh_India
    0.02546315 Uthmankhel
    0.02646085 Sindhi
    0.02734899 Tarkalani
    0.03047426 Gujar_Pakistan
    0.03500015 Ror
    0.03592462 Kashmiri_Pandit
    0.03842316 Kalash
    0.03914373 Kho_Singanali
    0.03917802 Jatt_Pathak
    0.04821604 Gujar_India
    0.05435783 Burusho
    0.05903719 Brahmin_Gujarat
    0.06530798 Brahui
    0.06757511 Balochi
    0.06895790 Tajik_Ishkashim
    0.07062875 Iran_Baloch
    0.08735622 Makrani
    0.08789137 Tajik_Shugnan
    0.08825504 Parsi_India
    Last edited by Sapporo; 06-13-2021 at 03:58 AM.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

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    Quote Originally Posted by laltota View Post
    In one of the British writer publications, it said many of the Brahui originally were Baloch tribes who changed identity when they joined the Brahui rulers of Kalat.
    I’m not sure about this info, but whoever wrote it he lacks of the logical sense (changing many tribes identity instantly just to join an alliance!?).

    I think Brahui community have been originated/spread in Baluchistan for many other reasons and developed gradually over many generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiranZai View Post
    I’m not sure about this info, but whoever wrote it he lacks of the logical sense (changing many tribes identity instantly just to join an alliance!?).

    I think Brahui community have been originated/spread in Baluchistan for many other reasons and developed gradually over many generations.
    What he said, it can happen. I don't think he said it was instantly. It might have been gradually over a period of some time. I can find the publication again or it is probably downloaded to my PC but I don't have time to search for it right now. I think a comprehensive genetic test on Brahui and Baloch might perhaps confirm if what he said is true or not.
    Last edited by laltota; 06-13-2021 at 10:30 AM.

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