How much Middle Eastern ancestry do Ashkenazim have?

[Aben Aboo]

When I model myself with them it’s a distance of 2.7 percent. They’re ibm is far too low at 23.6 percent ibm to be a viable option reference for us

Target: Berber_Morocco_Riffian
Distance: 2.9727% / 0.02972660
96.2 AUT_Wels_o_NA
1.8 ITA_Rome_MA
1.2 ITA_Sardinia_EMA
0.8 Kindoki_230BP

Target: Me
Distance: 2.4321% / 0.02432082
74.6 AUT_Wels_o_NA
15.6 SYR_Tell_Qarassa_Early_Antiquity
9.8 Kindoki_230BP

Target: Berber_Algeria_Mozabite
Distance: 3.8874% / 0.03887406
93.4 AUT_Wels_o_NA
6.6 Kindoki_230BP

Target: Berber_Algeria_Kabyle
Distance: 2.6906% / 0.02690615
93.8 AUT_Wels_o_NA
3.0 ITA_Sardinia_EMA
2.2 ITA_Rome_MA
1.0 Kindoki_230BP

Target: Berber_Morocco_Shilha_Tiznit
Distance: 7.3406% / 0.07340604
94.2 AUT_Wels_o_NA
5.8 Kindoki_230BP

Target: Berber_Morocco_Shilha
Distance: 7.1183% / 0.07118345
94.8 AUT_Wels_o_NA
5.2 Kindoki_230BP

Target: Berber_Tunisia_East_Zenati_Matmata
Distance: 2.5784% / 0.02578423
99.2 AUT_Wels_o_NA
0.6 SYR_Tell_Qarassa_Early_Antiquity
0.2 Kindoki_230BP

Thanks, i understand, but i don't think all ancient north africans (from antiquity and before) had strong IBM like Guanches and the same north african profile, in fact it's the same situation actually.

[Claudio]

He doesn’t have enough ibm to represent North Africans and he seems very mixed


A model with that sample is a complete failure

What is your Ethnicity may i ask?

[Gentica277282]

What is your Ethnicity may i ask?

I’m arab

The difference in Neolithic Levantine admixture of a modern arab and me isn’t much considering modern Arabs have up to 30 percent Iranian Neolithic or more

Saudi derived more than half of their ancestry from Levant_N (63.4%), and the rest from Iran_N (36.1%) and Yoruba (0.5%)

Ancient Bedouins

The two historic Syrian samples derive the majority of their ancestry from Neolithic Levantine populations (Levant_N, 91.3%) as well as minor proportions from Neolithic Iran (Iran_N, 4.1%) and European hunter-gatherers (WHG, 4.6%)

I’m about 40 percent Levant ppnb and 50 percent when removing eef which is still an acceptable fit for me meaning the difference is around 10-20 percent

Modern Arabs will have even less admixture if they find an ancient sample predating natufian in the peninsular, which I would assume would be Arabian hunter gatherers

I’m also fairly certain early natufians would have plot closer to us, what we have access to in g25 is not a representation of all natufians

[Claudio]

I’m arab

The difference in Neolithic Levantine admixture of a modern arab and me isn’t much considering modern Arabs have up to 30 percent Iranian Neolithic or more

Saudi derived more than half of their ancestry from Levant_N (63.4%), and the rest from Iran_N (36.1%) and Yoruba (0.5%)

Ancient Bedouins

The two historic Syrian samples derive the majority of their ancestry from Neolithic Levantine populations (Levant_N, 91.3%) as well as minor proportions from Neolithic Iran (Iran_N, 4.1%) and European hunter-gatherers (WHG, 4.6%)

I’m about 40 percent Levant ppnb and 50 percent when removing eef which is still an acceptable fit for me meaning the difference is around 10-20 percent

Modern Arabs will have even less admixture if they find an ancient sample predating natufian in the peninsular, which I would assume would be Arabian hunter gatherers

I’m also fairly certain early natufians would have plot closer to us, what we have access to in g25 is not a representation of all natufians

Ok you identify as Arab.
But I ment which country are you from?

[Gentica277282]

Ok you identify as Arab.
But I ment which country are you from?

Morocco

[Claudio]

Sorry the last comment was foe you not Claudio

I am asking again, why are you including imperial roman samples well knowing that muddies how much levantine Jews have in their breakdown?

Maybe Gentica is implying that some Levantine was mediated into Ashkenazim via Gentile Imperial Romans?

[Claudio]

Thanks, i understand, but i don't think all ancient north africans (from antiquity and before) had strong IBM like Guanches and the same north african profile, in fact it's the same situation actually.

I’m sure there are two Byzantine era samples found in a Basilica complex in modern Turkey that many have speculated could be Byzantine era Libyan North Africans (I forget the name of the two samples- very Levantine & Egyptian shifted)

[Claudio]

Morocco

Ok so Genetically you are Berber not Arabian no?

[Abceff]

I’m sure there are two Byzantine era samples found in a Basilica complex in modern Turkey that many have speculated could be Byzantine era Libyan North Africans (I forget the name of the two samples- very Levantine & Egyptian shifted)

yeah the TUR_Marmara_İznik_Basilica_RomByz_B samples, they also were levant shifted

TUR_Marmara_İznik_Basilica_RomByz_B:I8369,0.039838 088,0.14420518,-0.038843429,-0.088179423,0.014771995,-0.034303551,-0.011985543,-0.0025383558,0.042745482,0.014396653,0.005358818,-0.009141863,0.028988834,0.0026148308,0.0001357203,-0.01312637,-0.019296839,-0.0070945613,-0.022625649,0.0027513197,-0.0067381095,-0.012241621,0.0064088813,-0.0066274429,0.0038319916
TUR_Marmara_İznik_Basilica_RomByz_B:I8372,0.028455 777,0.14217412,-0.035072222,-0.09173244,0.013540996,-0.035698004,-0.013160596,-0.0062305096,0.052562626,0.019134792,0.011204801,-0.011689595,0.023637049,-0.0049544162,0.0082789383,0.0018562543,0.007692658 8,-0.011528662,-0.017346331,0.011755639,-0.0061142105,-0.014467371,0.0055461473,-0.0030124741,0.00023949948

[Gentica277282]

Ok so Genetically you are Berber not Arabian no?

No I don’t have the genetic profile of a Berber.