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    Question. I have the feature and have been identifying maternal and paternal matches. Now what? How do I benefit from this besides the extra group filters "Mother's side" and "Father's side"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Question. I have the feature and have been identifying maternal and paternal matches. Now what? How do I benefit from this besides the extra group filters "Mother's side" and "Father's side"?
    I Feel sure the benefit is that the maternal and paternal matches are now in AncestryDNA Software- or will be.. I got this feature weeks ago.. My only issue is that I accidentally made 2 matches maternal who were paternal and can't figure out how to change it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Question. I have the feature and have been identifying maternal and paternal matches. Now what? How do I benefit from this besides the extra group filters "Mother's side" and "Father's side"?
    The main help is probably that you can now sort shared matches more easily.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kathlingram View Post
    I Feel sure the benefit is that the maternal and paternal matches are now in AncestryDNA Software- or will be.. I got this feature weeks ago.. My only issue is that I accidentally made 2 matches maternal who were paternal and can't figure out how to change it..
    Should be editable, if not, ask support. Because the information can change. Like I recently discovered that a group of matches belongs to a different known family branch than I originally thought. I always considered a paternal origin too, but just with more recent new information this became much more probable than a maternal one. Wouldn't have assigned them on Ancestry based on that though, because its still somewhat speculative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    The main help is probably that you can now sort shared matches more easily.



    Should be editable, if not, ask support. Because the information can change. Like I recently discovered that a group of matches belongs to a different known family branch than I originally thought. I always considered a paternal origin too, but just with more recent new information this became much more probable than a maternal one. Wouldn't have assigned them on Ancestry based on that though, because its still somewhat speculative.
    I got this back:"Ancestry [Virtual Agent]
    Your question is being rerouted to an Ancestry specialist.
    8:32 AM I'm sorry there are no agents available at the moment. A case has been created with your chat transcript and someone will contact you via email.
    Your case ID is 1246515"
    So we'll see..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathlingram View Post
    I got this back:"Ancestry [Virtual Agent]
    Your question is being rerouted to an Ancestry specialist.
    8:32 AM I'm sorry there are no agents available at the moment. A case has been created with your chat transcript and someone will contact you via email.
    Your case ID is 1246515"
    So we'll see..
    What I'm seeing is that if I click on "View Match" for any of my matches, then at the top of the match page I see the side and relationship I've chosen. I've found that when I click on the "pencil" (edit) icon, the word "back" appears above "Relationship Assignment". Clicking that allows the side and relationship to be chosen again.
    Last edited by geebee; 06-18-2021 at 02:57 PM.
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    Its always about two factors: When did they emigrate to the USA, how many children did they have per generation. The earlier the came to the USA, the more offspring they had per generation, the better for the genetic match record - usually. That is something very obvious even for me, who's not American, but of which a lot of distant relatives moved to America.
    I assume four factors: yours and How much DNA did I inherit on that line? and What about Timber? This new feature tends to highlight the effect of the last two.

    Most of the matches that I recognise descend from one pair of 4xgreat-grandparents. Lots of them are American, but there are lots who descend from relatives who stayed in Britain too. The common factor is that the matches are larger than might be expected - more DNA inherited from this pair.

    I had been expecting a large number of matches from a pair of 4xgreat grandparents. I know that dozens of descendants emigrated in the 1870s following lay offs and many more in the early 1900s as a result of a major strike. The matches would be fourth and fifth cousins to me. I actually have very few matches on this line - although my relatives have more. I do have more matches on this line on other sites. Itís the effect of two factors: I inherited less DNA on this line; and the matching algorithm.
    All 32 3xgreat grandparents were Welsh. Two 6xgreat grandparents from England and a few Irish or English surnames before 1800. Paper trail shows several C11th to C14th Anglo-Norman lines and C11th Norse-Irish lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geebee View Post
    What I'm seeing is that if I click on "View Match" for any of my matches, then at the top of the match page I see the side and relationship I've chosen. I've found that when I click on the "pencil" (edit) icon, the word "back" appears above "Relationship Assignment". Clicking that allows the side and relationship to be chosen again.
    Oh geebee!! Thanks you SOOO much!! It worked.. I actually did it once but really stumbled upon it clicking everything
    They were BIG matches too!! Just clicked wrong.. Happy
    Last edited by Kathlingram; 06-18-2021 at 09:33 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoebe Watts View Post
    I assume four factors: yours and How much DNA did I inherit on that line? and What about Timber? This new feature tends to highlight the effect of the last two.

    Most of the matches that I recognise descend from one pair of 4xgreat-grandparents. Lots of them are American, but there are lots who descend from relatives who stayed in Britain too. The common factor is that the matches are larger than might be expected - more DNA inherited from this pair.

    I had been expecting a large number of matches from a pair of 4xgreat grandparents. I know that dozens of descendants emigrated in the 1870s following lay offs and many more in the early 1900s as a result of a major strike. The matches would be fourth and fifth cousins to me. I actually have very few matches on this line - although my relatives have more. I do have more matches on this line on other sites. It’s the effect of two factors: I inherited less DNA on this line; and the matching algorithm.
    That's true, but I probably was talking from my perspective, because British people are probably among the second best tested in the world. Continental Europeans on the other hand and Central Europeans in particular are severely undertested. And I know some lineages of mine which simply died out or have just a low numbering offspring. So even if they live in the USA, chances that 1 of 20 is testing are much lower than 1 of 500. If there is a lineage with 500 American descendents, like there are and even more for some of my lineages, if I guessimate, I don't wonder getting good matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    That's true, but I probably was talking from my perspective, because British people are probably among the second best tested in the world. Continental Europeans on the other hand and Central Europeans in particular are severely undertested. And I know some lineages of mine which simply died out or have just a low numbering offspring. So even if they live in the USA, chances that 1 of 20 is testing are much lower than 1 of 500. If there is a lineage with 500 American descendents, like there are and even more for some of my lineages, if I guessimate, I don't wonder getting good matches.
    Yeah, I have several ancestors in ThruLines for whom there are a few hundred tested descendants -- or at least, claimed descendants. For example, there's Dillion Blevins Asher -- a 4th great grandfather to me -- with 641 DNA matches. ThruLines actually lists something like 28 offspring (by at least 4 different women).

    Not surprisingly, I don't share that much DNA with most of them, even though I'm often related through more folks than just Asher. For example, there is "WG", who only shares 7.3 cM with me -- but across 3 segments. Because this is less than 8.0 cM, I would have lost the match in Ancestry's recent purge of smaller matches. The thing is, though, my unweighted sharing with EG is 27 cM, with a longest segment of 12 cM.

    Now, maybe Timber was right to downrate this match ... but he's at least close enough and has a good enough tree to allow three different relationship paths to be identified. Through Asher, he's my half 5th cousin. He's also listed as my 6th cousin through George All Sizemore and Agnes (Shepherd), and my 5th cousin once removed through Wiley Jones and Malvina (Anderson).

    Even though the odds may be against any detectable segment being passed along any of these pathways, I actually do seem to have a fair amount of DNA from both Asher and Sizemore/Shepherd. (As determined through DNA Painter.)

    The thing that is easy for many people to lose sight of is the difference between average and real world inheritance. As you go back through the generations, you may eventually find that you actually inherited more DNA from someone in generation x+1 from you than from someone only x from you. (Not in the same line, of course.)

    Even looking at the relatively short distance from my father to one of his great grandsons, it appears that my mother's genetic contribution to him is nearly twice as great as my father's.

    (And, of course, given endogamy and an abundance of offspring in the same lines, the same DNA can pass back and forth for generations, so that you end up with a larger genetic share from a few, more distant ancestors.)
    Besides British-German-Catalan, ancestry includes smaller amounts of French, Irish, Swiss, Choctaw & another NA tribe, possibly Catawba. Avatar picture is: my father, his father, & his father's father; baby is my eldest brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceni View Post
    I'd just like to see a chromosome browser introduced. So few people reply to messages on Ancestry that it is hard to work anything except the obvious. At least a browser would help one to glean something from matches.
    Regarding the low rate of response by people, I kind of wish there was a questionnaire before you register your kit asking something along the lines of if you are doing this for pure curiosity and have no plans to dig deeper or if you are open to genealogical discourse. I have a match estimated at the 5-8th cousin, same last name as me that would be enormously helpful in my Y-dna project. Same with someone with my great grandmothers surname, which is effectively isolated to one or two ancestral villages and is dying out. Neither respond. Itís like having a winning lotto ticket encased in an epoxy block, impossible to cash in haha. I respect privacy, but if you are not interested in talking, there should be a badge letting people know. Just my opinion.
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