Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 42

Thread: G25 South Asian Language Families Model (Experimental)

  1. #1
    Registered Users
    Posts
    704
    Sex
    Nationality
    American
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-Y2568*
    mtDNA (M)
    R30b
    mtDNA (P)
    U9b1*

    United States of America Pakistan

    G25 South Asian Language Families Model (Experimental)

    This experimental calculator models the extent to which language correlates with genetics in South Asian context. It might not reflect actual ancestry. Part of the problem is a lack of certain populations in the Vahadou dataset for example Punjabi Brahmins resulting in neighboring ancestral populations show up. I have tried to compensate for that using samples from related ancient for modern dataset. Feedback would be appreciated. There are 13 total language families and subfamilies, and its best to use DIST COL - 0.25X or 0.5X to prevent overfitting.
    P.S. what would be best individual samples from vahadou for Punjabi Brahmin like population?

    Code:
    Austroasiatic:Bonda,0.0053117,-0.2640377,-0.1606533,0.0955003,0.016926,0.066004,-0.005405,0.008615,0.0732197,0.0427037,0.031882,0.005945,-0.0038157,0.0171113,-0.0204487,-0.0235127,0.009692,-0.0002957,-0.0022627,0.0313903,-0.000582,0.020856,-0.010435,0.012291,0.012893
    Austroasiatic:Santhal,0.0091058,-0.2152922,-0.176744,0.11725,-0.0152849,0.0689126,-0.0072963,0.0114173,0.0805727,0.0503578,0.018783,0.0040607,-0.0048987,0.0128841,-0.0199961,-0.0256845,0.0111881,-0.003137,-0.0039866,0.025953,0.0004753,0.0166637,-0.0067552,0.0089225,0.0047727
    Austroasiatic:Juang,0.003415,-0.263022,-0.156882,0.093993,0.017849,0.063587,-0.00799,0.012692,0.077515,0.04811,0.037512,0.003597,-0.004162,0.024084,-0.024701,-0.026253,0.003129,-0.003801,-0.005656,0.032265,0.003494,0.022999,-0.010106,0.010845,0.015567
    Austroasiatic:Birhor,0.0032249,-0.2270837,-0.1728679,0.1148096,-0.0095742,0.0633082,-0.0061753,0.0112045,0.0824912,0.0502364,0.019649,0.0039879,-0.0044516,0.0137394,-0.0197774,-0.0235493,0.0150738,-0.0044411,-0.0036382,0.0280064,0.0009567,0.0186097,-0.0050191,0.0101484,0.002701
    Eastern-Indo-Aryan:IND_Roopkund_A:I6942,0.017073,-0.116786,-0.18592,0.133723,-0.070475,0.071954,-0.00282,0.020999,0.069743,0.045377,-0.003085,0.004346,-0.000892,0.004542,-0.007736,-0.006629,0.002347,-0.004941,0.003268,0.012006,0.001248,0.006059,-0.002588,0.00494,-0.010777
    Eastern-Indo-Aryan:Bengali_Bangladesh,0.043578,-0.1108377,-0.1506329,0.1024836,-0.0583844,0.0614357,-0.003693,0.0096589,0.0426577,0.0289236,-0.0064956,-0.0013059,-0.0006159,0.0029099,-0.0047114,-0.0083151,0.0040046,0.001647,-0.0015803,0.003716,-0.0009091,0.002155,0.0026761,0.0046133,8.56e-05
    Eastern-Indo-Aryan:Relli,0.0318705,-0.1147545,-0.1693275,0.1119205,-0.0590875,0.065121,0,0.0114225,0.059823,0.037905,0.000893,0.0003745,-0.0019325,0.0111475,-0.0126895,-0.0200875,-0.0012385,0.0010135,0.002828,0.006378,0.0016845,0.0087795,0.001294,0.00241,-0.0005985
    South-Central-Dravidian:Velamas,0.043253,-0.07278,-0.1709613,0.107883,-0.0808353,0.061542,0.0012533,0.0126917,0.0387913,0.025027,-0.0011367,0.002248,-0.0019823,0.0041743,-0.0052477,-0.001149,0.0063453,-0.0013093,0.0049023,-4.13e-05,0.005823,-0.000536,0.002013,0.0013653,-0.0017163
    South-Central-Dravidian:Gond,0.0121858,-0.1856029,-0.1774244,0.1208029,-0.0297792,0.0642105,-0.0035526,0.0136691,0.0770934,0.0491072,0.0113481,0.0027857,-0.0030957,0.0133009,-0.0186017,-0.0208165,0.0098862,-0.0025263,-0.0045104,0.0218487,0.0021506,0.0118415,-0.0036394,0.0079386,0.0021202
    South-Central-Dravidian:IND_Roopkund_A:I6941,0.030732,-0.116786,-0.158014,0.114343,-0.068936,0.071954,0,0.01823,0.064425,0.041368,-0.005196,0.001798,-0.003865,0.017203,-0.012215,-0.020419,-0.006519,-0.004307,-0.00264,0.01138,0.006613,0.007914,0.002218,0.008073,-0.005987
    Western-Indo-Aryan:Gujarati,0.0513912,-0.0577328,-0.1560525,0.1108222,-0.0805842,0.0621926,-0.0002232,0.0116072,0.033,0.0188524,-0.0064955,8.24e-05,-0.0021779,0.0017408,-0.0006786,0.0003778,0.0008801,-0.0001711,-0.0014267,-0.0039332,0.0014288,-0.0033139,0.0011093,0.0011266,-0.0029757
    Western-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-20,0.053497,-0.059916,-0.160276,0.107883,-0.078784,0.059961,0.003055,0.018692,0.032519,0.01877,-0.00747,-3e-04,0.001487,-0.001101,0.001493,0.006629,0.010431,-0.004181,-0.008296,0.001626,0.003743,-0.005317,0.002711,0.007953,-0.001916
    South-Dravidian:Piramalai,0.0368027,-0.0873357,-0.1791323,0.116604,-0.079297,0.061077,-0.000705,0.013384,0.0488813,0.0280647,-0.002815,-0.0037467,-0.0021803,0.0075233,-0.0085507,-0.0133473,-0.0048677,0.0012667,-0.0011733,0.0011253,0.005324,-0.0016077,-0.0012327,0.0006827,-0.0062667
    South-Dravidian:IND_Roopkund_A:I6946,0.015935,-0.126941,-0.172721,0.121772,-0.061858,0.066655,-0.007755,0.008769,0.062993,0.035718,0.012991,-0.003447,0.004162,0.017891,-0.009093,-0.019093,0.004303,0,-0.012318,0.02126,-0.004742,0.008161,0.002218,0.00976,-0.000479
    South-Dravidian:North_Kannadi,0.028835,-0.117463,-0.174104,0.130816,-0.066987,0.0646097,0,0.014153,0.065652,0.0424,-0.003789,-0.001049,0.002131,0.0055507,-0.0129387,-0.0148943,0.0033463,-0.0002533,-0.0023883,0.0116307,0.0045337,0.008903,-0.000123,0.003695,-0.0058277
    South-Dravidian:Kurumba,0.0387,-0.089367,-0.177247,0.113051,-0.075091,0.058288,0.001645,0.01223,0.049699,0.033714,-0.001137,0.004046,-0.001933,0.011973,-0.009636,-0.003978,0.003781,0.002027,-0.004651,0.000625,0.006239,0.001237,-0.004067,-0.003856,-0.00012
    South-Dravidian:Irula,0.0159352,-0.1477594,-0.1851285,0.1288618,-0.0545947,0.0568936,-0.0039832,0.0151839,0.0761954,0.0502424,-0.0002923,0.0008092,-0.0002825,0.0092206,-0.0176842,-0.017608,0.0104634,-0.0007285,-0.0013576,0.0204411,0.0058832,0.0070916,-0.0054475,0.0042114,-0.0066879
    Tibeto-Burman:Tripuri,0.0184646,-0.3684116,-0.0502619,-0.0101924,0.0398706,0.0341486,0.0019844,0.0026794,0.0092149,0.0110254,-0.0279039,-0.0038382,0.0052195,0.0005887,-0.0091234,-0.005635,0.0047662,-0.0026042,-0.008366,0.0076148,-0.0025788,0.0230954,0.0019239,0.0037287,0.0364638
    Tibeto-Burman:Jamatia,0.0192234,-0.3641238,-0.0511627,-0.0090261,0.0405886,0.0356052,0.0022456,0.0012819,0.0099307,0.0115518,-0.0295185,-0.0035219,0.0055913,0.0010168,-0.0068915,-0.0056056,0.0037016,-0.0021256,-0.0074022,0.0091501,-0.0038751,0.0237208,0.0020609,0.0012451,0.0343283
    Dardic:Kashmiri_Pandit,0.072847,-0.014217,-0.101823,0.076228,-0.074783,0.046575,0.00987,0.007384,-0.008795,-0.006378,-0.008607,-0.001499,0.001933,0.001376,0.0057,0.010209,0.001956,0.001014,0.003771,-0.009505,-0.007487,-0.008037,-0.000246,0.000482,0.000958
    Dardic:Kalash,0.0835565,0.0249728,-0.0841664,0.0663912,-0.0716496,0.0399828,0.0029695,0.002056,-0.0307436,-0.0252563,-0.0056911,-0.0005244,-0.00273,-0.0110035,0.0167245,0.0086966,-0.0139511,0.0020443,0.0006398,-0.0128755,-0.0038172,-0.0053057,0.0030476,-0.0034286,0.0034945
    Dardic:Kohistani,0.0737574,-0.0064994,-0.1024637,0.0689605,-0.0742189,0.0437022,0.0035172,0.0031383,-0.0096263,-0.0109402,-0.0068095,0.0004097,-0.0013281,-0.0075234,0.0108757,0.0105761,-0.0018775,0.0004729,0.0003477,-0.009,-0.0039722,-0.0038249,0.0024896,-0.0021609,0.0038479
    North-West-Indo-Aryan:Punjabi_Sikh_India,0.0727499,0.0007563,-0.1037804,0.0807225,-0.070121,0.0477081,0.001635,0.0043991,-0.0008443,-0.0054167,-0.005763,-0.0001722,-0.0003479,-0.0070804,0.0103725,0.0084886,-0.0039448,0.0010835,0.0007729,-0.0103881,-0.0022965,-0.0054696,0.0008575,-0.0007179,0.000428
    North-West-Indo-Aryan:Sindhi,0.0696218,0.0049085,-0.1159645,0.0685298,-0.0755012,0.0436,0.0010575,0.0049998,-0.0018748,-0.0047077,-0.0056565,-0.0014487,-0.0005205,-0.005849,0.010247,0.0163968,-4.35e-05,0.0021115,0.004944,-0.0143193,0.0001662,-0.0062238,-8.23e-05,-0.0040163,0.0049295
    North-West-Indo-Aryan:Gujar_Pakistan,0.0714239,0.0010155,-0.1151397,0.0767932,-0.0778606,0.050305,0.00423,0.0051344,-0.0034131,-0.0083944,-0.0060185,0.0002341,0.0020534,-0.0069069,0.0091951,0.0140711,-0.0023795,0.0004831,0.0014534,-0.0138661,0.0015909,-0.01058,0.0021028,-0.0054826,0.0020357
    North-West-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-1,0.063741,-0.013202,-0.120679,0.092378,-0.071398,0.050479,-0.000235,0.006461,0.00859,0.006378,-0.006658,-0.001499,0.000446,-0.006606,0.003257,0.014983,0.009127,-0.00114,0.001885,-0.007128,0.000624,0.000742,0.009983,0.004699,-0.005987
    North-West-Indo-Aryan:IND_Roopkund_A:I2872,0.07057,-0.017264,-0.095789,0.088502,-0.065858,0.046017,0.004935,0.003231,0.009408,0.005285,0.007795,-0.003747,-0.00223,0.003441,-0.000136,-0.005569,-0.000522,0.00152,0.004022,-0.005753,-0.012603,0.000495,-0.006655,0.001928,-0.010897
    North-West-Indo-Aryan:Punjabi_Lahore,0.0519316,-0.0642322,-0.1506595,0.107923,-0.0675126,0.0628202,0.0019388,0.0111341,0.0398566,0.0192716,-0.0027402,9.36e-05,-0.0005761,0.0002754,-0.0065655,0.0010606,0.0043025,-0.000459,-0.0002514,-0.0004847,0.0022929,-0.0010202,-0.0018793,0.0002109,-0.0025298
    North-West-Indo-Aryan:Khatri,0.0733859,0.0031536,-0.1057725,0.073202,-0.0728718,0.046472,0.0036858,0.0048217,-0.0063833,-0.0075101,-0.0059914,0.0004654,-3.91e-05,-0.008069,0.0091433,0.011263,-0.0016196,0.0008535,0.0001323,-0.0117425,-0.0015697,-0.0070417,0.0021861,-0.0013636,0.0009957
    North-West-Indo-Aryan:Punjabi_Jatt,0.0756925,0.008378,-0.0976742,0.081719,-0.067782,0.0503398,0.00188,0.006288,-0.0024542,-0.0096128,-0.0051962,-0.0019108,-0.002007,-0.0062275,0.0103828,0.0119995,-0.004009,0.0012988,0.004054,-0.013788,-0.0029322,-0.0095212,0.0004932,-0.0020785,0.0020058
    West-Iranic:Makrani,0.0521688,0.0633015,-0.1003768,0.0194877,-0.0699103,0.0226367,0.0048958,0.001769,-0.0250882,-0.0203192,-2.7e-05,-0.0067192,0.0082753,-0.0106427,0.0126898,0.0320203,-0.0099308,0.0028085,0.0048185,-0.0258043,0.0054278,-0.0137255,-0.0015405,-0.0211275,0.015188
    West-Iranic:Iranian_Zoroastrian,0.0916275,0.1077846,-0.0632191,-0.0225219,-0.045365,0.0040439,0.0018586,-0.005318,-0.028373,-0.0168403,-0.0002509,0.000361,0.0043652,-0.0049418,0.0071253,0.0135542,-0.0035262,0.002885,0.0017313,-0.0087712,-0.0032216,-0.0037657,0.0006777,-0.003489,0.0053669
    South-Indo-Aryan:Maratha,0.0357731,-0.0934289,-0.1696504,0.1200186,-0.0721893,0.0624714,-0.0010407,0.0153949,0.0549583,0.0367076,-0.0031087,8.56e-05,-0.002782,0.0057606,-0.0084146,-0.0051709,0.0093506,-0.0017373,-0.0028731,0.0075034,0.0041,0.002067,-0.0008274,0.002496,-0.0050979
    East-Iranic:Tajik_Ishkashim,0.0912862,0.0276224,-0.0463104,0.0528428,-0.0513942,0.0257694,0.003713,-0.0041078,-0.0273652,-0.0253672,-0.0083144,-0.0008392,-0.0011894,-0.0116978,0.0122962,0.0141606,-0.0022686,0.0012668,0.0014078,-0.006128,-0.0095082,-0.000272,-0.000715,0.0008192,0.0029218
    East-Iranic:Uthmankhel,0.0818792,0.0233244,-0.0834288,0.0556185,-0.0646969,0.0365975,0.002024,0.0015855,-0.0165004,-0.014526,-0.0046673,-0.0008218,0.0011509,-0.0068589,0.0110021,0.0120828,-0.0029568,0.0010871,0.0029114,-0.0097144,-0.0047175,-0.0059194,0.0014433,-0.0014459,0.0041641
    East-Iranic:Tarkalani,0.0815601,0.0242325,-0.0857625,0.0545424,-0.0644362,0.0356403,0.0032009,0.0017348,-0.0171801,-0.0155906,-0.0061651,-0.0005478,0.0012507,-0.0091495,0.0124114,0.0161759,0.0026977,0.0009523,0.0023015,-0.0097029,-0.0037736,-0.0053938,0.001547,-0.0020069,0.0044059
    Central-Indo-Aryan:Uttar_Pradesh,0.0451497,-0.086997,-0.1551223,0.119511,-0.0682177,0.0673057,-0.000705,0.014461,0.0501083,0.0357183,-0.0057377,0.0006493,0.0010403,0.0057343,-0.0052027,-0.0148057,-0.0088227,0.0002957,0.0010057,0.0025013,0.0003327,0.009068,0.0007807,0.005663,-0.0049497
    Central-Indo-Aryan:PAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o,0.036423,-0.091398,-0.168573,0.129847,-0.079707,0.063587,-0.005405,0.016845,0.051949,0.030069,-0.007632,0.001049,0.000297,0.004404,-0.000407,-0.017369,-0.002086,-0.002914,0.002891,0.008254,0.00861,0.004204,0.002465,0.006868,-0.005868
    Central-Indo-Aryan:IND_Roopkund_A:I2868,0.033009,-0.097491,-0.172344,0.120157,-0.073244,0.066655,-0.00799,0.005538,0.050108,0.038634,-0.009419,-0.003447,-0.002527,0.007156,-0.016694,0.001724,0.015385,0.008868,-0.00264,0.011756,0.015722,-0.003339,-0.002465,0.003976,-0.007185
    Central-Indo-Aryan:Kamboj_o,0.0447703,-0.0744723,-0.1512257,0.1121893,-0.0756037,0.0637733,-0.0026633,0.0136917,0.0486767,0.03177,-0.006333,0.0006993,-0.002329,0.00367,-0.0087767,-0.014187,-0.0023907,-0.0006333,4.2e-05,0.004085,0.000333,0.0025553,0.0009037,0.0030523,-0.006746
    Central-Indo-Aryan:Chamar,0.0379408,-0.0964753,-0.1691387,0.1266708,-0.0716543,0.06619,-0.0032508,0.0122685,0.0593118,0.0382392,-0.0051425,-0.0011238,0.0014867,0.0044727,-0.0095005,-0.0126843,0.0076275,-0.0013302,-0.0039173,0.0065032,0.0021628,0.0059148,0.00076,0.0028717,-0.0064067
    Central-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh:BRG001,0.071709,-0.035544,-0.12973,0.115312,-0.071398,0.061356,0.00094,0.003,0.026997,0.005649,-0.010068,-0.000899,-0.005649,0.003716,0.008686,-0.023734,-0.044331,0.006334,-0.003897,-0.012131,0.000374,0.000742,-0.001602,-0.022413,-0.000958
    Central-Indo-Aryan:Dharkar,0.0474263,-0.0751493,-0.154368,0.109713,-0.0677047,0.0683283,0.0005483,0.012461,0.0471087,0.0280643,-0.000379,0.001049,-0.0007433,0.0016517,-0.004886,-0.0137893,-0.0075623,0.00038,0.002975,0.002543,0.00104,0.0026377,0.0058747,4.03e-05,-0.0103783
    Central-Indo-Aryan:Yadava,0.0386995,-0.0903825,-0.1719675,0.1148275,-0.071244,0.058149,-0.0027025,0.0141915,0.045711,0.0305245,-0.0052775,0.00045,-0.0055,0.0050235,-0.003597,-0.010342,0.0029335,-0.003421,-0.0039595,0.006253,0.0038055,-0.0029675,0.001602,0.002289,-0.0034725
    North-Indo-Aryan:Bahun,0.0569115,-0.1048535,-0.0964488,0.0641962,-0.0487782,0.043019,0.0013515,0.006692,0.0076695,0.009522,-0.022166,-0.0046082,0.0019325,-0.0089798,0.0034948,0.0028838,0.003292,0.0028505,-0.001697,-0.0072848,-0.0013415,0.001453,0.0071792,-0.000512,0.0072448
    Here are some of the results:

    Target: Kho_Singanali
    Distance: 1.5257% / 0.01525679 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    51.4 East-Iranic
    47.8 Dardic
    0.8 Tibeto-Burman

    Target: Kshatriya:198
    Distance: 1.0432% / 0.01043198 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    62.0 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    26.6 Central-Indo-Aryan
    11.4 Western-Indo-Aryan

    Target: Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu:SB001
    Distance: 1.0598% / 0.01059835 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    38.6 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    23.4 Western-Indo-Aryan
    22.0 South-Central-Dravidian
    10.0 Central-Indo-Aryan
    6.0 North-Indo-Aryan

    Target: Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh
    Distance: 1.7414% / 0.01741414 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    46.2 Central-Indo-Aryan
    40.2 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    13.6 Western-Indo-Aryan

    Target: Brahmin_West_Bengal
    Distance: 0.9600% / 0.00960031 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    83.4 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    12.6 North-Indo-Aryan
    4.0 Central-Indo-Aryan

    Target: Brahmin_Gujarat
    Distance: 0.3490% / 0.00349038
    69.8 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    16.0 Western-Indo-Aryan
    14.0 Central-Indo-Aryan
    0.2 Dardic

    Target: Gujar_India
    Distance: 0.4986% / 0.00498635 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    71.6 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    20.2 Western-Indo-Aryan
    4.4 Central-Indo-Aryan
    3.8 Dardic

    Target: Pallan
    Distance: 0.6777% / 0.00677700 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    65.4 South-Dravidian
    25.6 Eastern-Indo-Aryan
    9.0 Central-Indo-Aryan

    Target: Iyer
    Distance: 0.4883% / 0.00488341 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    52.0 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    42.0 Western-Indo-Aryan
    6.0 West-Iranic

    Target: Brahmin_Manipuri
    Distance: 1.1835% / 0.01183507 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    54.0 Tibeto-Burman
    34.6 North-Indo-Aryan
    11.4 South-Central-Dravidian

    Target: Ror
    Distance: 1.8765% / 0.01876509
    57.0 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    36.8 East-Iranic
    6.2 Central-Indo-Aryan

    Target: Parsi_Pakistan
    Distance: 1.1954% / 0.01195412
    77.6 West-Iranic
    20.4 Western-Indo-Aryan
    2.0 Central-Indo-Aryan

    Target: Kapisa_scaled
    Distance: 1.3785% / 0.01378510 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    49.6 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    22.0 Dardic
    15.8 West-Iranic
    12.6 Central-Indo-Aryan
    Last edited by Kapisa; 05-27-2021 at 04:13 AM.

  2. The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Kapisa For This Useful Post:

     Arlus (05-27-2021),  Hurricane (05-29-2021),  kaazi (05-27-2021),  khanabadoshi (05-27-2021),  laltota (05-27-2021),  naruto (05-27-2021),  parasar (05-28-2021),  pegasus (05-27-2021),  Sapporo (05-27-2021),  ssamlal (05-28-2021)

  3. #2
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    2,343
    Sex
    Location
    NorCal
    Ethnicity
    Punjabi Jatt Sikh
    Nationality
    American & Canadian
    Y-DNA (P)
    L-M357 > Y91197
    mtDNA (M)
    HV2a3
    Y-DNA (M)
    L-M27
    mtDNA (P)
    R0

    United States of America California Republic Canada India Punjab Sikh Empire Nishan Sahib
    I think some of the language groups might be too broad genetically to really be under the same umbrella. These are my results:

    Target: Sapporo_scaled
    Distance: 1.6045% / 0.01604459
    81.4 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    15.0 Dardic
    3.6 Central-Indo-Aryan


    However, North-West Indo Aryan ranges from Punjabi Lahore types to Khatri and Jatt Sikhs with Gujarati Brahmins in between (with diversity of their own). Dardic could be anything from Kashmiri Pandit or Kohistani to Kalash. East Iranic ranges from Northern Pashtuns to Southern Pamiris.

    Perhaps averaging coordinates for the linguistic groups and being more selective which populations are being used might serve individuals better. Otherwise, I already know I should be predominately NorthWest Indo-Aryan if we're including samples like Jatt Sikh, Punjabi Sikh, Khatri, Gujar Pakistan, etc. if they are the base populations.
    Last edited by Sapporo; 05-27-2021 at 08:54 AM.
    pegasus modeling:
    sample": "Punjabi_Jat:Sapporo_AGUser",
    "fit": 1.1506,
    "IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3": 43.33,
    "TKM_Gonur1_BA": 31.67,
    "RUS_Sintashta_MLBA": 25,
    "closestDistances": [

    avatar credit goes out to aaronbee2010

  4. The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Sapporo For This Useful Post:

     Arlus (05-27-2021),  Kapisa (05-27-2021),  Kirtan24 (05-27-2021),  pegasus (05-27-2021),  Varun R (05-27-2021)

  5. #3
    Registered Users
    Posts
    704
    Sex
    Nationality
    American
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-Y2568*
    mtDNA (M)
    R30b
    mtDNA (P)
    U9b1*

    United States of America Pakistan
    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    I think some of the language groups might be too broad genetically to really be under the same umbrella. These are my results:

    Target: Sapporo_scaled
    Distance: 1.6045% / 0.01604459
    81.4 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    15.0 Dardic
    3.6 Central-Indo-Aryan


    However, North-West Indo Aryan ranges from Punjabi Lahore types to Khatri and Jatt Sikhs with Gujarati Brahmins in between. Dardic could be anything from Kashmiri Pandit or Kohistani to Kalash. East Iranic ranges from Northern Pashtuns to Southern Pamiris.

    Perhaps averaging coordinates for the linguistic groups and being more selective which populations are being used might serve individuals better. Otherwise, I already know I should be predominately NorthWest Indo-Aryan if we're including samples like Jatt Sikh, Punjabi Sikh, Khatri, Gujar Pakistan, etc. if they are the base populations.
    I agree that some of the language families are geographically very spread out like NW IA and Central Hindi belt. But alot of baradari samples from Central and South Punjab are missing, no dataset of Punjabi/Kashmiri Brahmins either (some of them are ancestoral to Punjabi Muslim populations). I am not sure which one to use for populations from Rajasthanis either. Its possible for me to divide East Iranics among Pamiris and Pashtuns though.
    The other more obvious reason for differences among populations speaking the same language is class/caste based endogamy. Cultural change is faster than genetic. Language and culture can be adopted as well. Take the example of Punjabi Baloch or Punjabi Kashmiri who speak Saraki or Majhi; Hazarwal Pashtuns speak Hindko. Their language would not directly correlate with genetics.
    For your results it might just be overfitting try DIST COL - 0.25X or 0.5X.
    Last edited by Kapisa; 05-27-2021 at 06:08 AM.
     

    [ { "distance": "1.69",
    "sample": "Kapisa-Dad (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 99.2,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.4,
    "Ju hoan": 0.4,},

    { "distance": "1.61",
    "sample": "Kapisa (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 94.8,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.6,
    "Ju hoan": 0.6,
    "Gupta": 4 },

    { "distance": "2.38",
    "sample":"Kapisa-Mom (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 89.4,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 3.4,
    "Gupta": 7.2 } ]

  6. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Kapisa For This Useful Post:

     Kirtan24 (05-27-2021),  Sapporo (05-28-2021)

  7. #4
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    390
    Sex
    Location
    Germany
    Ethnicity
    Gujarati Brahmin
    Nationality
    India
    Y-DNA (P)
    J-L26

    India
    My distances:

    Distance to: KB_scaled
    0.03164208 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-1
    0.04202012 North-West-Indo-Aryan: Punjabi_Sikh_India
    0.04256987 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Gujar_Pakistan
    0.04328722 North-West-Indo-Aryan:IND_Roopkund_A:I2872
    0.04348557 Dardic:Kashmiri_Pandit
    0.04851226 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Khatri
    0.04924946 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Sindhi
    0.05056413 Dardic:Kohistani
    0.05149743 North-West-Indo-Aryan: Punjabi_Jatt
    Scores:

    Target: KB_scaled
    Distance: 1.4311% / 0.01431110
    54.4 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    28.8 Western-Indo-Aryan
    9.2 Central-Indo-Aryan
    7.6 Dardic
    @Kapisa: First of all thanks for the work. NW-Indo Aryan is allocated to GBR-1, whereas GBR-20 falls under Western Indo Aryan. Is it because GBR-20 scores more like Gujarati farmer castes? If the categorization is strictly on linguistic terms, shouldn't GBR-1 and GBR-20 be under the same umbrella?
    “Some of you say, “Joy is greater than sorrow,” and others say, “Nay, sorrow is the greater.”
    But I say unto you, they are inseparable.
    Together they come, and when one sits alone with you at your board, remember that the other is asleep upon your bed.”
    ― Khalil Gibran, The Prophet, 1923

  8. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Kirtan24 For This Useful Post:

     Arlus (05-27-2021),  Kapisa (05-27-2021),  Sapporo (05-27-2021)

  9. #5
    Registered Users
    Posts
    704
    Sex
    Nationality
    American
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-Y2568*
    mtDNA (M)
    R30b
    mtDNA (P)
    U9b1*

    United States of America Pakistan
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirtan24 View Post
    My distances:



    Scores:



    @Kapisa: First of all thanks for the work. NW-Indo Aryan is allocated to GBR-1, whereas GBR-20 falls under Western Indo Aryan. Is it because GBR-20 scores more like Gujarati farmer castes? If the categorization is strictly on linguistic terms, shouldn't GBR-1 and GBR-20 be under the same umbrella?
    That sample was only reluctantly added as a proxy for Punjabi Brahmins. Otherwise you are right there is diversity in the GBR dataset:
    Distance to: Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-20
    0.02040885 Gujarati
    0.02611542 Kol
    0.02661572 Punjabi_Lahore
    0.03092401 Iyer
    0.03121654 Velamas
    0.03123261 Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu
    0.03654031 Kanjar
    0.04276824 Kshatriya
    0.04308210 Kamboj_o
    0.04495662 Brahmin_West_Bengal
    0.04531864 Dharkar
    0.04797612 Yadava
    0.05182443 Dusadh
    0.05284441 Kurumba
    0.05384892 Piramalai
    0.05409920 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh
    0.05503594 Uttar_Pradesh
    0.05545412 Maratha
    0.06360881 Chamar
    0.06376948 Bengali_Bangladesh
    0.06745760 Brahmin_Gujarat
    0.07051362 Gupta
    0.07281610 Chenchu
    0.07517810 Sakilli
    0.07884364 Gujar_India

    Distance to: Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-13
    0.02112213 Punjabi_Sikh_India
    0.02123981 Khatri
    0.02473606 Punjabi_Jatt
    0.02536507 Gujar_Pakistan
    0.02650918 Kohistani
    0.02759249 Sindhi
    0.02879289 Kashmiri_Pandit
    0.03303665 Kamboj
    0.03571294 Gujar_India
    0.04261391 Brahmin_Gujarat
    0.04269022 Pashtun
    0.04329154 Yusufzai
    0.04487055 Ror
    0.05077564 Jatt_Pathak
    0.05122985 Tarkalani
    0.05136799 Uthmankhel
    0.05391639 Burusho
    0.05483208 Kho_Singanali
    0.05783117 Kalash
    0.07498316 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh
    0.07534515 Kshatriya
    0.07990234 Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu
    0.08054227 Brahmin_West_Bengal
    0.08308022 Iyer
    0.08598766 Brahui


    Distance to: Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-1
    0.02049083 Brahmin_Gujarat
    0.02537684 Gujar_India
    0.03778060 Punjabi_Sikh_India
    0.03927562 Gujar_Pakistan
    0.04209746 Kashmiri_Pandit
    0.04252279 Sindhi
    0.04259716 Khatri
    0.04639538 Kshatriya
    0.04682723 Kohistani
    0.04754168 Punjabi_Jatt
    0.05025575 Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh
    0.05032029 Brahmin_Tamil_Nadu
    0.05274779 Iyer
    0.05289652 Brahmin_West_Bengal
    0.05598319 Kamboj
    0.06357831 Burusho
    0.06818434 Ror
    0.06945569 Pashtun
    0.07047266 Yusufzai
    0.07230433 Jatt_Pathak
    0.07240301 Gujarati
    0.07635160 Punjabi_Lahore
    0.07903298 Tarkalani
    0.07908052 Uthmankhel
    0.08229735 Kho_Singanali

    My understanding is it has to do with migration history as you mentioned of your family. And as I said cultural shift is faster than genetic.
     

    [ { "distance": "1.69",
    "sample": "Kapisa-Dad (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 99.2,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.4,
    "Ju hoan": 0.4,},

    { "distance": "1.61",
    "sample": "Kapisa (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 94.8,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.6,
    "Ju hoan": 0.6,
    "Gupta": 4 },

    { "distance": "2.38",
    "sample":"Kapisa-Mom (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 89.4,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 3.4,
    "Gupta": 7.2 } ]

  10. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Kapisa For This Useful Post:

     Kirtan24 (05-27-2021),  Sapporo (05-27-2021)

  11. #6
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    2,497
    Sex
    Location
    US/ India
    Ethnicity
    Punjabi Khatri/J&K/Multan
    Nationality
    India
    Y-DNA (P)
    J2b2a
    mtDNA (M)
    U2b

    India United States of America India Punjab Jammu and Kashmir
    Target: agentlime_scaled
    Distance: 1.4423% / 0.01442279
    40.4 Dardic
    37.2 Central-Indo-Aryan
    22.4 West-Iranic

    This doesn't work for me. Fit is good lol.

    Distance to: agentlime_scaled
    0.03465900 North-West-Indo-Aryanunjabi_Sikh_India
    0.03472558 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Khatri
    0.03544317 North-West-Indo-Aryanunjabi_Jatt
    0.03808555 Dardic:Kohistani
    0.03809493 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Gujar_Pakistan
    0.03930765 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Sindhi
    0.04501618 Dardic:Kalash
    0.04697335 East-Iranic:Uthmankhel
    0.04898982 Dardic:Kashmiri_Pandit
    0.05126981 East-Iranic:Tarkalani
    0.06321338 North-West-Indo-Aryan:IND_Roopkund_A:I2872
    0.06570687 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-1
    0.08497911 East-Iranic:Tajik_Ishkashim
    0.08954532 Central-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh:BRG001
    0.09391182 West-Iranic:Makrani
    0.11818444 Western-Indo-Aryan:Gujarati
    0.12381060 North-West-Indo-Aryanunjabi_Lahore
    0.12440667 Western-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-20
    0.13032349 North-Indo-Aryan:Bahun
    0.13857089 Central-Indo-Aryanharkar
    0.14078234 Central-Indo-Aryan:Kamboj_o
    0.14094247 South-Central-Dravidian:Velamas
    0.15349246 Central-Indo-Aryan:Uttar_Pradesh
    0.15553909 West-Iranic:Iranian_Zoroastrian
    0.15837960 Central-Indo-Aryan:Yadava

  12. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to agent_lime For This Useful Post:

     Arlus (05-27-2021),  Kapisa (05-27-2021),  Sapporo (05-27-2021)

  13. #7
    Registered Users
    Posts
    704
    Sex
    Nationality
    American
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-Y2568*
    mtDNA (M)
    R30b
    mtDNA (P)
    U9b1*

    United States of America Pakistan
    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Target: agentlime_scaled
    Distance: 1.4423% / 0.01442279
    40.4 Dardic
    37.2 Central-Indo-Aryan
    22.4 West-Iranic

    This doesn't work for me. Fit is good lol.

    Distance to: agentlime_scaled
    0.03465900 North-West-Indo-Aryanunjabi_Sikh_India
    0.03472558 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Khatri
    0.03544317 North-West-Indo-Aryanunjabi_Jatt
    0.03808555 Dardic:Kohistani
    0.03809493 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Gujar_Pakistan
    0.03930765 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Sindhi
    0.04501618 Dardic:Kalash
    0.04697335 East-Iranic:Uthmankhel
    0.04898982 Dardic:Kashmiri_Pandit
    0.05126981 East-Iranic:Tarkalani
    0.06321338 North-West-Indo-Aryan:IND_Roopkund_A:I2872
    0.06570687 North-West-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-1
    0.08497911 East-Iranic:Tajik_Ishkashim
    0.08954532 Central-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh:BRG001
    0.09391182 West-Iranic:Makrani
    0.11818444 Western-Indo-Aryan:Gujarati
    0.12381060 North-West-Indo-Aryanunjabi_Lahore
    0.12440667 Western-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Gujarat:GBR-20
    0.13032349 North-Indo-Aryan:Bahun
    0.13857089 Central-Indo-Aryanharkar
    0.14078234 Central-Indo-Aryan:Kamboj_o
    0.14094247 South-Central-Dravidian:Velamas
    0.15349246 Central-Indo-Aryan:Uttar_Pradesh
    0.15553909 West-Iranic:Iranian_Zoroastrian
    0.15837960 Central-Indo-Aryan:Yadava
    its best to use DIST COL - 0.25X or 0.5X to prevent overfitting. Though for some West Punjabi populations (Gandhara derived) Dardic shows up any which way higher than NWIA.
     

    [ { "distance": "1.69",
    "sample": "Kapisa-Dad (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 99.2,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.4,
    "Ju hoan": 0.4,},

    { "distance": "1.61",
    "sample": "Kapisa (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 94.8,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.6,
    "Ju hoan": 0.6,
    "Gupta": 4 },

    { "distance": "2.38",
    "sample":"Kapisa-Mom (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 89.4,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 3.4,
    "Gupta": 7.2 } ]

  14. #8
    Registered Users
    Posts
    280
    Sex
    Ethnicity
    Bengali Brahmin
    Nationality
    American
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-L295
    mtDNA (M)
    T2f

    United States of America Bangladesh India United Kingdom
    Target: FrostDad_scaled
    Distance: 2.1094% / 0.02109384 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    72.6 Central-Indo-Aryan
    27.4 East-Iranic

    Target: FrostMom_scaled
    Distance: 2.5390% / 0.02538964 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    66.2 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    18.0 Central-Indo-Aryan
    15.8 North-Indo-Aryan

    Target: Frost_scaled
    Distance: 2.6215% / 0.02621495 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    51.6 Central-Indo-Aryan
    26.8 East-Iranic
    18.0 Western-Indo-Aryan
    3.6 North-West-Indo-Aryan
    Last edited by FrostAssassin0701; 05-27-2021 at 07:04 AM.

  15. The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to FrostAssassin0701 For This Useful Post:

     Arlus (05-27-2021),  Kapisa (05-27-2021),  Sapporo (06-08-2021)

  16. #9
    Gold Class Member
    Posts
    2,497
    Sex
    Location
    US/ India
    Ethnicity
    Punjabi Khatri/J&K/Multan
    Nationality
    India
    Y-DNA (P)
    J2b2a
    mtDNA (M)
    U2b

    India United States of America India Punjab Jammu and Kashmir
    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    its best to use DIST COL - 0.25X or 0.5X to prevent overfitting. Though for some West Punjabi populations (Gandhara derived) Dardic shows up any which way higher than NWIA.
    Adding col distance doesn't help that much.

    Target: agentlime_scaled
    Distance: 1.4872% / 0.01487234 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    41.0 Dardic
    36.2 Central-Indo-Aryan
    21.8 West-Iranic
    1.0 North-West-Indo-Aryan


    Target: agentlime_scaled
    Distance: 1.4872% / 0.01487234 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    41.0 Dardic
    36.2 Central-Indo-Aryan
    21.8 West-Iranic
    1.0 North-West-Indo-Aryan

    I am probably getting West Iranic because of excess Bedouin/ MENA like ancestry. And that is why my fits are good (which they never are)..

    Target: agentlime_scaled
    Distance: 1.4423% / 0.01442279
    40.4 Dardic:Kalash
    33.8 Central-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh:BRG001
    18.2 West-Iranic:Makrani
    4.2 West-Iranic:Iranian_Zoroastrian
    3.4 Central-Indo-AryanAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o

  17. The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to agent_lime For This Useful Post:

     Arlus (05-27-2021),  FrostAssassin0701 (05-27-2021),  Kapisa (05-27-2021),  Sapporo (05-27-2021)

  18. #10
    Registered Users
    Posts
    704
    Sex
    Nationality
    American
    Y-DNA (P)
    R-Y2568*
    mtDNA (M)
    R30b
    mtDNA (P)
    U9b1*

    United States of America Pakistan
    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Adding col distance doesn't help that much.

    Target: agentlime_scaled
    Distance: 1.4872% / 0.01487234 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    41.0 Dardic
    36.2 Central-Indo-Aryan
    21.8 West-Iranic
    1.0 North-West-Indo-Aryan


    Target: agentlime_scaled
    Distance: 1.4872% / 0.01487234 | ADC: 0.5x RC
    41.0 Dardic
    36.2 Central-Indo-Aryan
    21.8 West-Iranic
    1.0 North-West-Indo-Aryan

    I am probably getting West Iranic because of excess Bedouin/ MENA like ancestry. And that is why my fits are good (which they never are)..

    Target: agentlime_scaled
    Distance: 1.4423% / 0.01442279
    40.4 Dardic:Kalash
    33.8 Central-Indo-Aryan:Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh:BRG001
    18.2 West-Iranic:Makrani
    4.2 West-Iranic:Iranian_Zoroastrian
    3.4 Central-Indo-AryanAK_Saidu_Sharif_H_o
    Its interesting that Makrani + Zoroastrian like population seems to fit as a putative source population for that Near East like shift of urs. Cuz I haven't seen this low fit either fo ur results. Do u thing it might have some connection with ur Derajaat ancestry?
     

    [ { "distance": "1.69",
    "sample": "Kapisa-Dad (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 99.2,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.4,
    "Ju hoan": 0.4,},

    { "distance": "1.61",
    "sample": "Kapisa (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 94.8,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 0.6,
    "Ju hoan": 0.6,
    "Gupta": 4 },

    { "distance": "2.38",
    "sample":"Kapisa-Mom (Kapisa)",
    "Khatri-Kohistani-Sindhi-Kamboj": 89.4,
    "Kurdish-Persian": 3.4,
    "Gupta": 7.2 } ]

Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Language Families G25 Model (SCALED)
    By SUPREEEEEME in forum Autosomal (auDNA)
    Replies: 100
    Last Post: 06-13-2021, 10:58 PM
  2. Replies: 32
    Last Post: 06-01-2021, 04:54 PM
  3. Slim bens experimental model
    By maroco in forum Autosomal (auDNA)
    Replies: 43
    Last Post: 02-24-2021, 03:27 AM
  4. Replies: 87
    Last Post: 10-09-2020, 07:43 AM
  5. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 04-28-2020, 08:07 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •