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    Smile Maternal origin search - questions about admixtures & oracles

    Hello,

    First of all, hi to all and congratulations for the quality of the exchanges and the information here, this is my first post here.

    I have questions and requests for advice, I have already had some of the answers by searching the forum but not all.

    To make it simple, I am looking for my origins on my mother's side who was adopted. She doesn't want to do any research or test on her side (it would obviously be easier). On my father's side, my origins are well traced and in the north west of France. I have done LivindDna and FTDNA + import tests on MyHeritage, without much result for the matches (almost all matches can be traced on my father's side) and a 100% European origin mix.

    I'm looking for more information on how to interpret admixtures. The general tests give me a 100% European origin almost certainly. So I focused on the Eurogenes K13 and K15 oracles (original and extended), is that a good option?

    - I put some of the results below. Considering that the French half of my origins is known, can I deduce a probable Spanish origin on the maternal side?

    - Can we compare the distances between the tests (e.g. give more credit to a test that gives low distances?)

    - Personally I am interested in very close origins (my grand parents etc.), not in distant DNA. Are the k13 and k15 eurogenes relevant? Are there any other oracles to advise?

    - As a male looking for a maternal line, I was thinking of looking at X-DNA, but I'm not sure what to do with it, obviously there is no specialized oracle or admixture.

    Sorry to be long, and thank you very much in advance to who can help me!

    Arthur

    K13 ORIGINAL

    LIVING DNA

    1 62,11% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 37,89% Southeast_English @ 2,374
    2 57,42% Spanish_Valencia + 42,58% Southeast_English @ 2,650
    3 66,80% Spanish_Valencia + 33,20% Icelandic @ 2,694
    4 57,42% Spanish_Murcia + 42,58% Southeast_English @ 2,725
    5 58,20% Spanish_Valencia + 41,80% Southwest_English @ 2,788
    6 62,11% Spanish_Valencia + 37,89% Orcadian @ 2,793
    7 71,48% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 28,52% Icelandic @ 2,793
    8 66,80% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 33,20% Orcadian @ 2,794
    9 63,67% Spanish_Valencia + 36,33% West_Scottish @ 2,796
    10 63,67% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 36,33% Southwest_English @ 2,859

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% French @ 5,635
    2 100% Spanish_Cataluna @ 7,649
    3 100% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 8,553
    4 100% Spanish_Cantabria @ 9,524
    5 100% Spanish_Galicia @ 9,681
    6 100% Portuguese @ 9,823
    7 100% Southwest_French @ 9,837
    8 100% Spanish_Valencia @ 10,385
    9 100% Spanish_Murcia @ 10,491
    10 100% South_Dutch @ 10,667

    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% Spanish_Valencia + 50% Southeast_English @ 3,158
    2 50% Spanish_Murcia + 50% Southeast_English @ 3,193
    3 50% South_Dutch + 50% Spanish_Aragon @ 3,381
    4 50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 50% Southeast_English @ 3,383
    5 50% Spanish_Valencia + 50% Southwest_English @ 3,453
    6 50% Spanish_Aragon + 50% Southeast_English @ 3,516
    7 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 50% Southeast_English @ 3,562
    8 50% Spanish_Murcia + 50% Southwest_English @ 3,598
    9 50% Spanish_Andalucia + 50% Southeast_English @ 3,620
    10 50% Spanish_Extremadura + 50% Southeast_English @ 3,655

    Using 3 populations approximation
    1 33% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 33% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 33% Southeast_English @ 2,563
    2 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Spanish_Murcia + 33% Icelandic @ 2,595
    3 33% Spanish_Cataluna + 33% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 33% Southeast_English @ 2,616
    4 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Spanish_Valencia + 33% Icelandic @ 2,693
    5 33% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 33% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 33% Orcadian @ 2,794
    6 33% Spanish_Murcia + 33% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 33% Icelandic @ 2,869
    7 33% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 33% Spanish_Cantabria + 33% Southeast_English @ 2,878
    8 33% Spanish_Cataluna + 33% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 33% Southwest_English @ 2,884
    9 33% Spanish_Murcia + 33% Spanish_Murcia + 33% Icelandic @ 2,893
    10 33% Spanish_Cataluna + 33% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 33% Orcadian @ 2,900

    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Icelandic @ 2,900
    2 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% West_German + 25% Southeast_English @ 2,950
    3 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Icelandic @ 2,994
    4 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Norwegian @ 3,083
    5 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Norwegian @ 3,092
    6 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Spanish_Cantabria + 25% Icelandic @ 3,148
    7 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% Spanish_Cantabria + 25% Norwegian @ 3,150
    8 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Icelandic @ 3,160
    9 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 25% West_Scottish @ 3,171
    10 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cataluna + 25% Spanish_Cantabria + 25% Icelandic @ 3,199


    K15 ORIGINAL
    FTDNA

    Mixed Mode:
    1 69,92% Spanish_Aragon + 30,08% Orcadian @ 5,415
    2 67,58% Spanish_Aragon + 32,42% Irish @ 5,471
    3 68,36% Spanish_Aragon + 31,64% West_Scottish @ 5,493
    4 65,23% Spanish_Aragon + 34,77% Southeast_English @ 5,665
    5 64,45% Spanish_Aragon + 35,55% Southwest_English @ 5,941
    6 75,39% Spanish_Aragon + 24,61% West_Norwegian @ 6,095
    7 71,48% Spanish_Aragon + 28,52% North_Dutch @ 6,105
    8 55,86% French_Basque + 44,14% West_German @ 6,162
    9 71,48% Spanish_Aragon + 28,52% Danish @ 6,299
    10 57,42% French + 42,58% French_Basque @ 6,488

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 populations approximation
    1 100% Spanish_Cataluna @ 9,508
    2 100% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 9,875
    3 100% Spanish_Cantabria @ 10,324
    4 100% Spanish_Aragon @ 10,477
    5 100% Spanish_Murcia @ 10,977
    6 100% Southwest_French @ 11,144
    7 100% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 11,299
    8 100% Spanish_Valencia @ 11,345
    9 100% Portuguese @ 12,236
    10 100% Spanish_Extremadura @ 12,261

    Using 2 populations approximation
    1 50% French_Basque + 50% West_German @ 6,482
    2 50% French + 50% French_Basque @ 6,758
    3 50% Spanish_Aragon + 50% Southeast_English @ 6,863
    4 50% Spanish_Aragon + 50% Southwest_English @ 6,867
    5 50% French_Basque + 50% Southwest_English @ 7,190
    6 50% French_Basque + 50% Southeast_English @ 7,238
    7 50% Spanish_Aragon + 50% Irish @ 7,248
    8 50% South_Dutch + 50% French_Basque @ 7,372
    9 50% Spanish_Aragon + 50% West_Scottish @ 7,555
    10 50% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 50% Southeast_English @ 7,879

    Using 3 populations approximation
    1 33% Spanish_Aragon + 33% Spanish_Aragon + 33% Irish @ 5,474
    2 33% Spanish_Aragon + 33% Spanish_Aragon + 33% Orcadian @ 5,484
    3 33% Spanish_Aragon + 33% Spanish_Aragon + 33% West_Scottish @ 5,514
    4 33% Spanish_Andalucia + 33% French_Basque + 33% Orcadian @ 5,659
    5 33% Spanish_Aragon + 33% Spanish_Aragon + 33% Southeast_English @ 5,676
    6 33% Spanish_Andalucia + 33% French_Basque + 33% West_Scottish @ 5,942
    7 33% Spanish_Aragon + 33% Spanish_Aragon + 33% Southwest_English @ 5,969
    8 33% Spanish_Andalucia + 33% French_Basque + 33% Irish @ 6,003
    9 33% Spanish_Andalucia + 33% French_Basque + 33% Southeast_English @ 6,125
    10 33% Spanish_Andalucia + 33% French_Basque + 33% West_Norwegian @ 6,150

    Using 4 populations approximation
    1 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Orcadian @ 5,643
    2 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% West_Scottish @ 5,801
    3 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Irish @ 5,856
    4 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Murcia + 25% Orcadian @ 6,058
    5 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% West_Norwegian @ 6,096
    6 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Southwest_French + 25% Orcadian @ 6,106
    7 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Murcia + 25% West_Scottish @ 6,112
    8 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Murcia + 25% Irish @ 6,130
    9 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Southeast_English @ 6,180
    10 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% Spanish_Aragon + 25% North_Dutch @ 6,210

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGR78 View Post
    Hello,

    First of all, hi to all and congratulations for the quality of the exchanges and the information here, this is my first post here.

    I have questions and requests for advice, I have already had some of the answers by searching the forum but not all.

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    You have a French subforum here, where you will be surely better advised on this issue.

    Especially since French members are more used to seeing other results from French people and will be able to give their opinion better than others from other nationalities.

    You can speak in French in that subforum if you are more comfortable using that language:

    https://anthrogenica.com/forumdisplay.php?162-French

    Edit:Although in that oracle your results seem to model you in a good proportion as Spanish, it is possible because of the regions that they are (Aragón is quite Pyrenaic reference), that it is simply a way of modeling yourself and not a real Spanish ancestry. Your compatriots will be able to give you a more informed opinion on this matter better than me.
    Last edited by mokordo; 07-15-2021 at 09:50 PM.

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    Thank you very much for your answer and for the information on the French forum, I have left posts there indeed but I have not yet received a conclusive answer. I don't really know what to think about these Spanish origins, real or linked to my personal mix. What confuses me is that the "known" half of my family comes rather from the center - north west of France than from the south.

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