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    Closest continental European matches : Slavic edition

    Inspired by the English thread. I'd like to ask people with Slavic ancestry - no matter Eastern, Western or Southern Slavic, to post their closest matches to compare.Those of you who are partial Slavic are also invited if you want to share. Here are mine top 5:

    1.Lithuania, a man with a typical Lithuanian name :
    41.9 CM, 35.9 largest segment

    2. Ukraine, a man with a Ukranian name
    39.9 cM, 33.9 cM largest segment

    3.Canada, but this person is with a Polish- Ukranian ancestry
    38.7 cM, 24.5 largest segment

    4.Poland, a guy with Polish name
    37,0 cM, 21.3 largest , 3 segments

    5. Germany , a man with a Greek name
    36.1 cM shared, 13.3 cM largest segment , 4 segments shared .

    Edit : I’ve made a mistake at first including two people from the USA . I’ve removed them
    and left only European matches. The Canadian one is with family tree placed in Ukraine and Poland that’s why I left him .
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    Me and my grandparents after we discard each other and pileup segments matches:

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    1.Serb 46.8/5/18.1
    2.Serb 46.4/7/7.8
    3.Serb 45.7/5/13.2
    4.Kosovo Albanian 41.7/6/7.7
    5.Serb 40.9/5/15.5

    Grandpa

    1.Bulgarian, i bet he is from Trn area from where my family migrated 1880. 72.3/6/28.2
    2.Serb from next village 56.8/4/22
    3.Again Serb from nearby village 56.7/4/21.3
    4.Kosovo Albanian, not the same as mine 56/7/12.9
    5.Serb from souther Serbia (no surprises again) 51.4/5/15.4

    Grandma
    1. Very old guy who is descendant of Banat Czech, Banat Bulgarian and Banat Germans 61.1/3/30.9
    2.Serb 59/6/20
    3.Serb 52.5/5/15.7
    4.Bulgarian from Kyustendil, Zemen and Pernik, not far away from villages some of my grandma lines originate
    48.9/3/29.7
    5. Serb from S Serbia 47.8/4/20.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazmatnik View Post
    Me and my grandparents after we discard each other and pileup segments matches:

    Me

    1.Serb 46.8/5/18.1
    2.Serb 46.4/7/7.8
    3.Serb 45.7/5/13.2
    4.Kosovo Albanian 41.7/6/7.7
    5.Serb 40.9/5/15.5

    Grandpa

    1.Bulgarian, i bet he is from Trn area from where my family migrated 1880. 72.3/6/28.2
    2.Serb from next village 56.8/4/22
    3.Again Serb from nearby village 56.7/4/21.3
    4.Kosovo Albanian, not the same as mine 56/7/12.9
    5.Serb from souther Serbia (no surprises again) 51.4/5/15.4

    Grandma
    1. Very old guy who is descendant of Banat Czech, Banat Bulgarian and Banat Germans 61.1/3/30.9
    2.Serb 59/6/20
    3.Serb 52.5/5/15.7
    4.Bulgarian from Kyustendil, Zemen and Pernik, not far away from villages some of my grandma lines originate
    48.9/3/29.7
    5. Serb from S Serbia 47.8/4/20.6

    Is Trn from your grandpa’s match Tran ( Трън) since Трън is in the Pernik province? Do they get Bulgaria as a genetic group even at low confidence? Great results. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bul View Post
    Is Trn from your grandpa’s match Tran ( Трън) since Трън is in the Pernik province? Do they get Bulgaria as a genetic group even at low confidence? Great results. Thank you!
    Yes, grandpa's paternal ancestors are from Vuči Del on Ruj mountain on serbian side but Trn is closest town (back then border didnt exist yet). Nope, they didnt get Bulgaria, but i did on Ancestry test thou. My closest match on Ancestry is lady from Trn and her two daughters.
    MH groups are sort of weird, my grandma got Flemish with two half Greeks half Flemish and some other mixed Balkanites in it. Not good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bul View Post
    Inspired by the English thread. I'd like to ask people with Slavic ancestry - no matter Eastern, Western or Southern Slavic, to post their closest matches to compare.Those of you who are partial Slavic are also invited if you want to share. Here are mine top 5:

    1.Lithuania, a man with a typical Lithuanian name :
    41.9 CM, 35.9 largest segment

    2. Ukraine, a man with a Ukranian name
    39.9 cM, 33.9 cM largest segment

    3.Canada, but this person is with a Polish- Ukranian ancestry
    38.7 cM, 24.5 largest segment

    4.Poland, a guy with Polish name
    37,0 cM, 21.3 largest , 3 segments

    5. Germany , a man with a Greek name
    36.1 cM shared, 13.3 cM largest segment , 4 segments shared .

    Edit : I’ve made a mistake at first including two people from the USA . I’ve removed them
    and left only European matches. The Canadian one is with family tree placed in Ukraine and Poland that’s why I left him .
    How is that your top 4 closest matches are north-eastern Europeans and no Balkan people in sight?
    Also, what company you did your test with?
    Distance to: Aspar_scaled
    0.01995435 35.00% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 65.00% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02156914 40.60% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 + 59.40% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02223177 55.20% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215 + 44.80% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
    0.02300447 61.80% BGR_IA:I5769 + 38.20% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19

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    Never taken serious my closest matches. The fact that i am matching with Poles, Russians, Finns, Anglos and other euros making it very innacurate. As Aspar said it is also weird that you matching first with so northern shifted individuals rather with balkaners and South/Southeast europeans.

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    You really need to be cautious with MH matches and deploy additional tools like DNA painter in order to identify pileup segments and it looks like MH algorythm loves those segments over nonpileup ones. They fixed beginning of chromosome 15, but they still didnt fix beggining of chr 16, where i have almost 1000 matches sharing only that small piece of chr 16 from all over Europe.

    Additionally, had matches on uploaded Ancestry kit which didnt show up on my MH kit and those same matches appeared on my granparents MH kits. Not to mention i was able to trace my relationships with those matches, they are from village next to ours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    How is that your top 4 closest matches are north-eastern Europeans and no Balkan people in sight?
    Also, what company you did your test with?
    Ancestry DNA.

    I'll tell you how : Ancestry DNA - 22% Eastern Europe and Russia. Living DNA 22.7 % Northeast Europe, DNA LAND- 25% North slavic , also a genetic group Ukraine, Southwestern Russia, Poland and Belarus )

    My first Bulgaian match is not so far from the first ones- 35.2 cM, from a place where my grandpa was born.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bul View Post
    Ancestry DNA.

    I'll tell you how : Ancestry DNA - 22% Eastern Europe and Russia. Living DNA 22.7 % Northeast Europe, DNA LAND- 25% North slavic , also a genetic group Ukraine, Southwestern Russia, Poland and Belarus )

    My first Bulgaian match is not so far from the first ones- 35.2 cM, from a place where my grandpa was born.
    The fact that these matches of yours are with segments > 20cM, is already a serious argument against an IBS as opposed to IBD. Usually anything less than 15cM is suspicious and non reliable unless you've confirmed it through matching with your parents and relatives as well. There was one thread on this forum where the poster did an experiment where he was able to confirm that most matches larger than 17cM were IBD and thus real matches. Ones you go less than 17cM the number of real matches becomes lower and the chance of an IBS increases significantly.

    Anyway, I don't know if you are full Bulgarian or not and whether that might play a part of you not having any Bulgarians in the top 5 but having north-eastern Europeans as matches with such a segment size it most probably menas you have some recent ancestry from that part of Europe.

    As for me, I've tested with both MyHeritage and 23andMe.

    The largest segments from Myheritage are with a woman from my own town(48.1 cM), the second one is a Macedonian woman whose maternal side is again from my home town(42.7 cM). Funnily enough, my third largest segment match is with an Ashkenazi Jew with origins from Ukraine and Russia(29.9 cM). The forth largest segment is with a Macedonian woman whose one of her grandparents was from a same village as my grandmother and also had a same surname(28.3 cM). The fifth largest segment is with a Serbian woman from Shumadia(24.8 cM) that also happens to match with a number of Albanians and Macedonians and has whooping 28% Greek and South Italian unlike other Serbian results I've seen so she probably has ancestors that came from Mcedonia.

    The largest segments from 23andMe are Macedonian woman whose father comes from my hometown(32.38 cM). The second largest(31.07 cM) is shared with a Macedonian or Bulgarian woman according to her surname and who hasn't left any notes about her origins. This match is interesting because I match her on my X chromosome. The third largest match(27 cM) is on my 20th chromosome, with a Greek that hails from all his four sides from Istanbul, Turkey. On FTDNA I also match with a Greek from the Turkish part of Thrace, on the same chromosome and a similar size of segment. That's the connection through my mother's side(my great grandfather is originally from a village on the Turkish-Greek border) The forth and the fifth I match are a mother(26.33 cM) and a daughter(25.41 cM) with origins from a village close to my hometown.
    Distance to: Aspar_scaled
    0.01995435 35.00% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 65.00% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02156914 40.60% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 + 59.40% ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR65
    0.02223177 55.20% Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215 + 44.80% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
    0.02300447 61.80% BGR_IA:I5769 + 38.20% UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspar View Post
    The fact that these matches of yours are with segments > 20cM, is already a serious argument against an IBS as opposed to IBD. Usually anything less than 15cM is suspicious and non reliable unless you've confirmed it through matching with your parents and relatives as well. There was one thread on this forum where the poster did an experiment where he was able to confirm that most matches larger than 17cM were IBD and thus real matches. Ones you go less than 17cM the number of real matches becomes lower and the chance of an IBS increases significantly.

    Anyway, I don't know if you are full Bulgarian or not and whether that might play a part of you not having any Bulgarians in the top 5 but having north-eastern Europeans as matches with such a segment size it most probably menas you have some recent ancestry from that part of Europe.

    As for me, I've tested with both MyHeritage and 23andMe.

    The largest segments from Myheritage are with a woman from my own town(48.1 cM), the second one is a Macedonian woman whose maternal side is again from my home town(42.7 cM). Funnily enough, my third largest segment match is with an Ashkenazi Jew with origins from Ukraine and Russia(29.9 cM). The forth largest segment is with a Macedonian woman whose one of her grandparents was from a same village as my grandmother and also had a same surname(28.3 cM). The fifth largest segment is with a Serbian woman from Shumadia(24.8 cM) that also happens to match with a number of Albanians and Macedonians and has whooping 28% Greek and South Italian unlike other Serbian results I've seen so she probably has ancestors that came from Mcedonia.

    The largest segments from 23andMe are Macedonian woman whose father comes from my hometown(32.38 cM). The second largest(31.07 cM) is shared with a Macedonian or Bulgarian woman according to her surname and who hasn't left any notes about her origins. This match is interesting because I match her on my X chromosome. The third largest match(27 cM) is on my 20th chromosome, with a Greek that hails from all his four sides from Istanbul, Turkey. On FTDNA I also match with a Greek from the Turkish part of Thrace, on the same chromosome and a similar size of segment. That's the connection through my mother's side(my great grandfather is originally from a village on the Turkish-Greek border) The forth and the fifth I match are a mother(26.33 cM) and a daughter(25.41 cM) with origins from a village close to my hometown.
    Thank you so much for sharing! To be more precise, I may have to exclude the first two matches : they are on 15th chromosme, the pile up area, they probably are leading me on.
    Still, my first top matches who have high chance to be real, are of Polish and Ukranian ancestry. I also do have one Russian guy with a segment larger than 20 cM ( 21.5cM). On living DNA, I don't have many matches - mostly from the UK AND USA logically .Excluding them, I have Bulgarian mostly (4-5), one Russian, one or two Polish, one from Kazahstan and some from Germany.
    On DNA land, interestingly my predominant matches of Slavic decent are Eastern European, mostly Ukranian ,then Russian, one high certanity match who has Polish ancestry.
    On Ancestry DNA i have only 18 4-6th cousins, predominantly Bulgarian.

    I suppose I could be 25% Eastern European ( probably Ukranian or Rusyn) though cannot tell for sure. (Adoption case) .That's what I'm trying to figure out. My known ancestry which I know for sure is Bulgarian.
    P.s where from Macedonia are you from? I have ancestors from Greek Macedonia, my grandpa is from Southwestern parts of the country ( Pirin Macedonia).
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