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    The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2,000-year archeogenomic time transe

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    https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB42866

    The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2,000-year archeogenomic time transect

    Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History

    The origin, development and legacy of the enigmatic Etruscan civilization from the central region of the Italian peninsula known as Etruria has been the subject of scholarly debate for centuries. Here we report a genomic time transect of 82 individuals spanning almost two millennia (800 BCE – 1,000 CE) across Etruria and southern Italy. During the Iron Age, we detect a component of Indo-European-associated steppe ancestry and the lack of recent Anatolian admixture among the putative non-Indo-European-speaking Etruscans. Despite comprising diverse individuals of central European, northern African and Near Eastern ancestry, the local gene pool is largely maintained across the first millennium BCE. This continuity drastically changes during the Roman Imperial period where we report an abrupt population-wide shift to ~50% admixture with eastern Mediterranean ancestry. Finally, we identify northern European components appearing in central Italy during the Early Middle Ages, which thus formed the genetic landscape of present-day Italian populations.
    Awesome!...Is there an actual full paper? Or just this ENA abstract?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    Awesome!...Is there an actual full paper? Or just this ENA abstract?
    This new work more or less backs up what so many on this site have been posting about central Italy since the Antonio/Moots paper at the end of 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    This new work more or less backs up what so many on this site have been posting about central Italy since the Antonio/Moots paper at the end of 2019.
    Yes it certainly seems like it. I'm looking forward to seeing the Y-DNA and autosomal results of these new samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etrusco View Post
    Etruscan maybe predominantly J2? We will see.
    Possibly,yes. I hope the paper has plenty of Y and mtdna detail.

    My Z36 could be Cisalpine Gaulish rather than Rhaeto-Norican-Pannonian (more L2??)

    However it's still speculation until we see this paper.
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    It's also conspicuous that Tuscans can't be modelled as mix of Imperial Rome and Germanic but need additional Italic admixture. Apparently this paper argues otherwise. Also the lack of Germanic Y-DNA is not addressed. But we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel90 View Post
    It's also conspicuous that Tuscans can't be modelled as mix of Imperial Rome and Germanic but need additional Italic admixture. Apparently this paper argues otherwise. Also the lack of Germanic Y-DNA is not addressed. But we'll see.
    There IS some Germanic Y dna in Italy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    How do we know that the "additional Italic admixture" you mention is not merely a reflection of provincials from Noricum etc resettled in Italy in the 5th/6th centuries CE?
    We actually have samples from Hungary and the outliers are Imperial-Roman like. And not at all Italic. It's hard to believe that in Noricum people would have been much different. If anything we have Italic-like North Italians in the middle ages in Bardonecchia Piedmont.
    https://anthrogenica.com/attachment....0&d=1621579178
    https://i.ibb.co/X46CkS8/zzzzzSW.png
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariel90 View Post
    It's also conspicuous that Tuscans can't be modelled as mix of Imperial Rome and Germanic but need additional Italic admixture. Apparently this paper argues otherwise. Also the lack of Germanic Y-DNA is not addressed. But we'll see.
    They did not say that "there is no Italic ancestry", only that Italic ancestry was diluted 50% by ancestry from the E Med in Imperial times and that Germanic influx was significant on top of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryukendo View Post
    They did not say that "there is no Italic ancestry", only that Italic ancestry was diluted 50% by ancestry from the E Med in Imperial times and that Germanic influx was significant on top of this.
    I agree with the 50pc dilution and the Germanic Y dna claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryukendo View Post
    They did not say that "there is no Italic ancestry", only that Italic ancestry was diluted 50% by ancestry from the E Med in Imperial times and that Germanic influx was significant on top of this.
    There is Italic ancestry on on top of that 50% in Imperial, this not debatable

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