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Thread: The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2,000-year archeogenomic time transe

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    Can't wait for the data to be released as well as the actual paper this one is huge!!
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    My curiosity is certainly piqued. You can never tell with the wording of these abstracts exactly what is meant when they say things like "Despite comprising diverse individuals of central European, northern African and Near Eastern ancestry." Do they mean mixed people or full-blown outliers? Who knows... We've certainly seen some mixed-ancestry outliers among the Etruscans and IA Italics in the Moots paper.

    I'm guessing the "lack of Anatolian ancestry" line is a reference to the Trojan origin myth. That said, if there is indeed Near Eastern ancestry in the set (even if just among some outliers), what kind could it plausibly be if not Anatolian? I suppose it would have to be Levantine.
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    I'm very curious to see which sites the samples from Southern Italy come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Man View Post
    I'm very curious to see which sites the samples from Southern Italy come from.
    Hopefully the lack of northern Italian samples doesn't negatively impact the conclusions of the paper. We know that the alpine Rhaetian's language may have been related to that of the Etruscans.
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    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    Possibly,yes. I hope the paper has plenty of Y and mtdna detail.

    My Z36 could be Cisalpine Gaulish rather than Rhaeto-Norican-Pannonian (more L2??)

    However it's still speculation until we see this paper.
    I don’t know if I said it before but my hunch is Z36 is going to be found in Halstatt. So Cisalpine makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    Hopefully the lack of northern Italian samples doesn't negatively impact the conclusions of the paper. We know that the alpine Rhaetian's language may have been related to that of the Etruscans.
    What are you predictions for Etruscan Y-DNA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    My curiosity is certainly piqued. You can never tell with the wording of these abstracts exactly what is meant when they say things like "Despite comprising diverse individuals of central European, northern African and Near Eastern ancestry." Do they mean mixed people or full-blown outliers? Who knows... We've certainly seen some mixed-ancestry outliers among the Etruscans and IA Italics in the Moots paper.

    I'm guessing the "lack of Anatolian ancestry" line is a reference to the Trojan origin myth. That said, if there is indeed Near Eastern ancestry in the set (even if just among some outliers), what kind could it plausibly be if not Anatolian? I suppose it would have to be Levantine.
    I guess they mean that the most likely place where recent anatolian should have been present ( in regard to the supposed anatolian origins). Obviously I'm referring to costal cities and locations . Near eastern ancestry and north african cannot be the source of etruscan. In the former it would have been a phoenician/semitic language and the latter has never been a candidate for etruscan language and civilization. To discard also the idea proposed by some on AG that R1bU152 were biliangual speakers (italic and etruscan). Italy in copper age and bronze age was an hub in many aspects ( metallurgy). That a local copper age populations with a minimal amount of input from the east , also in terms of mercenaries for example could have triggered the birth of etruscan civilization does not seem implausible to me. Expecially with the back of ancient dna whose logic must be followed to the end.

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    reads alot like antonio et al reloaded

    something new is the quantification of ~50% admixture with eastern Mediterranean ancestry guess that means the other ~50% could be Italic/Etruscan_IA; an info that was not given in the stanford paper as they mashed the whole IR samples into their qpAdm analysis and not each clusters

    also smth. to look forward to is the abrupt part of the population-wide shift
    seems they have a certain timeperiod figured out
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    reads alot like antonio et al reloaded

    something new is the quantification of ~50% admixture with eastern Mediterranean ancestry guess that means the other ~50% could be Italic/Etruscan_IA; an info that was not given in the stanford paper as they mashed the whole IR samples into their qpAdm analysis and not each clusters

    also smth. to look forward to is the abrupt part of the population-wide shift
    seems they have a certain timeperiod figured out
    Looking at the brief abstract, the paper seems to suggest that at the end of the Imperial Roman period the Etruscans had become about 50 pc East Med (Hellenistic free and servile immigration? Magna Graecia migration?) and then the Germanic invasions pushed the central Italians northwards again.

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    I would like to understand what they mean, here:
    we detect a component of Indo-European-associated steppe ancestry and the lack of recent Anatolian admixture among the putative non-Indo-European-speaking Etruscans
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