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Thread: The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2,000-year archeogenomic time transe

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    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202106.0124/v1

    Is this paper related to the Etruscan study?



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    For instance, a multi-step origin explaining the modern Tuscans genetic composition has been proposed: a proto-Etruscans population, born in a Southeastern region of the Middle East, would have migrated to the Caucasus, then to Lydia and finally arrived in Central Italy at the beginning of Iron Age [48], in a way resembling the steps of the mythological migrations of Dionysus (Zagreus). However, it is clear that more genetics studies are needed to shed light on this disputed matter.During the later Iron Age, Etruscans were replaced in their political influence on Central Italy by Rome’s rule, a newtown that arose in Lazio on the banks of the Tiber river. Central Italy and Rome inhabitants of the 1stmillennium BCE exhibited high genetic variability, in particular, they showed a relevant Steppe-related ancestry, an increase in the Iranian-Neolithic component, respect to previous times, and the appearance of the first Northern African signatures [7]. The appearance of such different contributions is the main consequence of the great mobility of people, which increased even more in the later stages of Rome's history during the Republic (509-27 BCE) and the following Empire periods (27 BCE-CE 476). During the Iron Age and the first stages of Antiquity, long-distance mobility was promoted by the cosmopolitan nature of the Roman Empire and people from far and wide arrived in Rome, creating a melting pot of languages, cultures, and genes. In particular, many people came from the East (Greece, Syria, Egypt), the richest and most densely inhabited region of the Empire, thus resulting in a genetic shift towards the Eastern Mediterranean areas in individuals from this period (Figure3C and SupplementaryFigure 4A).
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    Interesting, do you think this CHG/Iran_N substrate in the Tyrsenian languages, is due to the gradual increase of CHG/Iran_N in ANF? If I recall correctly, AAF had minor CHG/Iran_N ancestry, while ACF also had minor amounts of Natufian/Levant_N ancestry; I think Otzi had minor amounts of CHG/Iran_N-related ancestry too. Or is this commonality due to various Anatolian Copper Age/Anatolian Bronze Age-related migrations into Southern and Southeastern Europe? Some of these later movements could be related to the migrations of the Kura-Araxes Culture, from Transcaucasia, migrations which likely spawned the Minoan and Hurrian civilizations, amongst others. I believe all these scenarios to be true, there were CHG/Iran_N/Levant_N admixed EEFs/ANFs, Anatolian_CA-related migrations, and Kura-Araxes, Anatolian_BA-related migrations. Off topic, but is the J2 history page coming along well? Your contributions there (as well as the contributions of others) have elucidated much for me, thanks.

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    It turns out that the Etruscan language is the J2 language?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirTaraskin View Post
    It turns out that the Etruscan language is the J2 language?
    maybe J2 and G

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    Rather a R1b language

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patarames View Post
    Rather a R1b language

    Do you think that R1b is not IE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moustapha Cairo View Post
    Unless we have some linguistic evidences to connect IE with Etruscan, but so far we don't. So, it's either EEF or CHG language.
    The EEF language is claimed by the Basques

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moustapha Cairo View Post
    Unless we have some linguistic evidences to connect IE with Etruscan, but so far we don't. So, it's either EEF or CHG language.
    Likely EEF IMHO . Definitely not IE but maybe etruscan and PIE have the same father/grandfather

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    Quote Originally Posted by VladimirTaraskin View Post
    It turns out that the Etruscan language is the J2 language?
    Lol...

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    Honestly the small elite from Anatolia theory is not totally unreasonable, but it's unlikely, there were some people with Anatolian or CHG ancestry in the pensinula in the Iron age but not enough to imagine a significant language shift. I still think that we have many gaps with ancient Italian samples in the Iron Age, all the Eastern coast and all the south are basically almost unsampled..

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