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    Just wondered if there are any J1c5a individuals amongst the forum members ?

    I share HVR1 & HVR2 with a Polish woman who has carried out the full-mtDNA test and she is J1c5a.

    The other 3 individuals I match with all have Russian ancestry.
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    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...tion=mtresults

    Just looked at mtDNA j project at FTDNA - I see 8 j1c5a individuals.
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    I'm plain J1c5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    I'm plain J1c5.
    http://www.dnahaplogroups.org/phylog...token=__NONE__

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    This is a sample of J1c5:
    AY495199(European) Coble Haplogroup [J1c5] 07-JAN-2008
    A73G G185A G228A A263G C295T 315.1C C462T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G G3010A T4216C A4769G T4838C A5198G C7028T A8860G A9100G A10398G A11251G G11719A A12612G G13708A C14766T T14798C A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C
    With these mutations in HVRI and II there are more than 200 samples on SMGF, overwhelgmingly Scandinavian with a diffusion both to Westwards and Eastwards, but these two samples in very isolate and mountainous places of Sardinia and Calabria (Lucia Felicina BOE b. Bitti, Nuoro, Italy and Maria LOMBARDO b. 10 Aug 1876 Cropani, Calabria, Italy) would need other deep inquires.
    Of course these HVRI and II may be many subclades of J1c.
    And how can you say that your HVRI and II point to J1c5? But if you have 23andMe something more we could know, because it tests for the SNP of J1c5:

    MT-ND2 5198 i3002222 A or G
    A Francesca Guarino
    not genotyped Gioiello Tognoni
    A Giorgio Tognarelli
    A Monica De Conti
    A Silvana Vagelli
    A Velthur Tognoni

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathna View Post
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    And how can you say that your HVRI and II point to J1c5? But if you have 23andMe something more we could know, because it tests for the SNP of J1c5:
    Yes, 23andme has me as J1c5a
    Last edited by LUKE33; 04-11-2014 at 10:41 PM.

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    Also.....

    If you visit : http://www.dnahaplogroups.org/phylog...token=__NONE__

    You'll notice , that J1c5a has two coding region mutations :

    J1c5a : 2387, 10192

    I uploaded the text version of my mtDNA raw data results from 23andme to James Lick's site : http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

    And the best match is J1c5a.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LUKE33 View Post
    Also.....

    If you visit : http://www.dnahaplogroups.org/phylog...token=__NONE__

    You'll notice , that J1c5a has two coding region mutations :

    J1c5a : 2387, 10192

    I uploaded the text version of my mtDNA raw data results from 23andme to James Lick's site : http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/

    And the best match is J1c5a.
    Of course, and if you published your 23andMe results, we could know, even though they aren't complete, if you are linked more to one Russian ancestress or to one Calabrian one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rathna View Post
    Of course, and if you published your 23andMe results, we could know, even though they aren't complete, if you are linked more to one Russian ancestress or to one Calabrian one.
    All my matches are from north-eastern Europe.

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    @ LUKE33:

    That link you posted is pretty old in haplogroup years, says it was last revised in 2011. Here is the most current link to the Phylotree, dated February 2014:
    http://PhyloTree.org/tree/subtree_R.htm

    J1c5 is one of the J subclades that is more common among Ashkneazi Jew's but it is not a founder mutation for them, it was absorbed from surrounding communities. You said your mtdna matches are Polish and Russians, do they indicate they Ashkenazi or not? It might be interesting to discover if J1c5 is perhaps linked to Baltic Europe or if it was brought there by Ashkenazi Jews.
    http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2013/13...comms3543.html
    My Gedmatch kits: M102536 (v3 upgrade); M054852 (v2); A449981 (Ancestry v1)
    Known: 87.5% UK/Ireland American Colonial; 12.5% PA Dutch Mennonites from Germany & Switzerland
    J1c3i mitochondrial ancestress was Swiss Mennonite from Conestoga, Lancaster PA

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