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    Ethnicity vs. DNA

    After my friend of Lebanese Arab origin had very atypical DNA results for his ethnicity, a question came to my mind: is DNA really important when claiming an ethnicity?
    Consider Lebanese Arabs: they are not Arabian at all when it comes to DNA, their DNA is fairly distant from original Arabians from Gulf Arabia. However, Lebanese Arabs are still ethnically considered as Lebanese Arabs but not considered as Lebanese Turkmens or Lebanese Druze. Therefore, DNA is not a necessity when claiming an ethnicity, in my opinion. What do you think?

    Footnote: My friendís DNA is closest to Turks and Caucasians but rather distant from Lebanese.

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    Ethnicity ≠ DNA

    In the New World countries, this is something obvious, but this can happen in every country. It's clear too that this cases are less than the 5% of the country population.

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    Ethnicity has more to do with cultural identification than it has to do with DNA

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    Ethnicity just like Race is a social construct, DNA isn't. By DNA here, I really mean parts of DNA used to assess shared genetic variation among populations predicting common descent at some point in time.

    "Ethnicity is a complex social construct that influences personal identity and group social relations. Ethnic identity, ethnic classification systems, the groupings that compose each system and the implications of assignment to one or another ethnic category are place-, time- and context-specific."
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908006/
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    I am ethnically Pakistani, yet I have no native Pakistani DNA.

    Most White Canadians are ethnically Canadian, yet they have no Native Canadian DNA.

    Ethnicity is a social construct. It's the country you belong to and what you identify with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rainn View Post
    After my friend of Lebanese Arab origin had very atypical DNA results for his ethnicity, a question came to my mind: is DNA really important when claiming an ethnicity?
    Consider Lebanese Arabs: they are not Arabian at all when it comes to DNA, their DNA is fairly distant from original Arabians from Gulf Arabia. However, Lebanese Arabs are still ethnically considered as Lebanese Arabs but not considered as Lebanese Turkmens or Lebanese Druze. Therefore, DNA is not a necessity when claiming an ethnicity, in my opinion. What do you think?

    Footnote: My friend’s DNA is closest to Turks and Caucasians but rather distant from Lebanese.
    Is his dna really atypical for his ancestry? Most people with long term ancestry in a country will cluster together. Not all dna companies are accurate though so it depends on what dna test was taken. It will depend on what samples a company has. Some populations are very under-tested. It would be unusual for example if you have long term ancestry in a country and don't cluster with other people of the same ethnicity. People living together for many generations are going to share dna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie View Post
    Is his dna really atypical for his ancestry? Most people with long term ancestry in a country will cluster together. Not all dna companies are accurate though so it depends on what dna test was taken. It will depend on what samples a company has. Some populations are very under-tested. It would be unusual for example if you have long term ancestry in a country and don't cluster with other people of the same ethnicity. People living together for many generations are going to share dna.
    On most GEDmatch calculators, his DNA seems to be fairly distant to average of Lebanese samples. His DNA clusters with Turks and Caucasians on most GEDmatch calculators. He also scores 8-10% East Eurasian on most GEDmatch calculators and many members told me that 8-10% East Eurasian is very atypical for a Lebanese Arab.

    My guess: my friend’s ancestors were of Turkish origin but they have chosen to identify as Arabs in order to integrate better to the society they live in.

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    Ethnicity is just a social construct, created by historical events. DNA is also a bunch of human history migrating from one place to another, settling down and intermingling with each other. Anyone who claims to "Races" is lost.

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    This illustrates the futility of grouping peoples ancestry by nations since genetic roots go back much lfurther than present day administrative entities.


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