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    VIKING DNA comparisons with FamilyTreeDNA"

    The "VIKING DNA comparisons with FamilyTreeDNA" Youtube presentation is a tele-video meeting between FTDNA's R&D Director, Göran Runfeldt, and a Swedish business partner.

    Multiple people with Scandinavian descent have submitted Big Y results to compare with ancient DNA Viking finds that FTDNA has analyzed.

    There are several R1b samples samples, including a comparison with the Norwegian adventurer Thor Heyerdahl.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krmKE1Jd49Y

    It's very interesting to see how ancient DNA samples can be used by modern Big Y testers. In this regards, it may be Medieval ancient DNA that is most important.

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    I know I'm related to VK333 along two (split) Y-lines. But neither line has a known history that explicitly begins in Scandinavia.

    Line 1 (my direct Y-line) split off from VK333's ancestors hundreds, if not over a thousand, years before he was born.
    VK333 has about a 10 SNP column below our shared branch of R-P312/S116 > DF19/S232 > DF88 > FGC11833 > Z17110 > S4268 > Z17112 > BY44243

    However, his closest surviving recorded relative/potential descendant along his Y-line shares his SNPs all the way to R-P312/S116 > DF19/S232 > DF88 > FGC11833 > Z17110 > S4268 > Z17112 > BY44243 > Z17125 > Z29034
    ^^That relative has a MDKA not from Scandinavia, but from the UK (he was a first generation American colonist b. ~1605 who dies in Mass. in 1680).
    Interestingly he has the very Germanic/Scandinavian surname of Gunn (as in the Old Norse male first name Gunnarr, also a cognate of Gunther).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnar
    And by coincidence that Mass. Thomas Gunn MKDA also happens to be my 9th Great Grandfather along my dad's maternal line. So my Line 2 connection to VK333 there is purely (if anything ) autosomal.

    Another fun fact, 9thGGF Thomas Gunn's daughter, Deborah (my 8th great grandmother), married Timothy Thrall in CT in 1659, so the Germanic/Nordic surnames continued.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Thor Heyerdahl's yDNA is public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alejandromb92 View Post
    Thor Heyerdahl's yDNA is public?
    They didn't say, they just said "R1b" from what I heard, and the font was too small to read.
    But from the massive amounts of Scandinavian flags on the tree he showed, and the light scattering of UK, my guess is he was L238, or some extremely-Scandinavian subclade of U106.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    They didn't say, they just said "R1b" from what I heard, and the font was too small to read.
    But from the massive amounts of Scandinavian flags on the tree he showed, and the light scattering of UK, my guess is he was L238, or some extremely-Scandinavian subclade of U106.
    If he is R1b, being from Norway and according FTDNA stats we can say there is 43% of chances to be U106, 26% of L21 and 17% of P312 (either L238 or yours DF19). Did they said something about publishing all that info? Seems that they did test relatives of important people from Scandinavia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alejandromb92 View Post
    If he is R1b, being from Norway and according FTDNA stats we can say there is 43% of chances to be U106, 26% of L21 and 17% of P312 (either L238 or yours DF19). Did they said something about publishing all that info? Seems that they did test relatives of important people from Scandinavia.
    Never mind the stats: Watch the last few minutes of the video (start at 51:30), that's really the only time they get into Heyerdahl.

    If you look at the MDKA flags at the bottom on the "tree" he's using, there are tons of Scandinavian ones (and maybe one or two UK and US).
    It look more like Alex's tree of L238. There's no way it's DF19, we're too small and there would have been much more German (and UK) mixed in on the tree.

    As I mentioned, it could be he was just showing a U106 subclade that was uniquely Scandinavian, it was impossible to see what the calls were.
    If it was L21, there still would have been a lot of UK among the Scandinavian flags.
    IIRC, he also mentioned there were Vikings that matched him that were from Iceland. The R1b Viking study samples from Iceland I remember are L238, L21 and U106.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Here's what I'm talking about. The display of kits they are using for Heyerdahl could be he zeroed on a block like this:
    https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.ph...956&star=false
    ^^This is R-P312/S116 > L238/S182 > Z2245 > Z2247 > CTS11638 > Y11663 > Y10824 > FGC23851 > Y10827

    VK101 is the study's Icelandic L238. His terminal SNP is R-BY110718. Alex doesn't have him plotted, but there are two other R-BY110718 kits. One from Scotland and one from the US.
    Both have Scandinavian-style surnames (Johnson and Robertson). Kinda neat that VK101 ties them in more firmly with a specific Scandinavian heritage (if L238 wasn't already a giant neon sign).
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Here's what I'm talking about. The display of kits they are using for Heyerdahl could be he zeroed on a block like this:
    https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.ph...956&star=false
    ^^This is R-P312/S116 > L238/S182 > Z2245 > Z2247 > CTS11638 > Y11663 > Y10824 > FGC23851 > Y10827

    VK101 is the study's Icelandic L238. His terminal SNP is R-BY110718. Alex doesn't have him plotted, but there are two other R-BY110718 kits. One from Scotland and one from the US.
    Both have Scandinavian-style surnames (Johnson and Robertson). Kinda neat that VK101 ties them in more firmly with a specific Scandinavian heritage (if L238 wasn't already a giant neon sign).
    So then VK101 is the sample they associated with Heyerdahl, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerMW View Post
    So then VK101 is the sample they associated with Heyerdahl, right?
    I don't know. It's really not clear - he implied there were multiple samples, and I just see that one for L238. So maybe it's a U106 subclade after all? I wish they'd just said the parent clade or showed the SNPs more clearly.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Yeah, I think it's L-238. It looks too heavily concentrated in Scandinavia, in particular the Scandinavian branches within L-238. I'm not sure U106 has the same pattern.
    YDNA: R1b-BY50830 Stepney, London, UK George Wood b. 1782 English <-> Bavarian cluster
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