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    Quote Originally Posted by Diictodon View Post
    Iran_N is modelled as 35% ANE, 58% more Basal Dzudzuana and 7% ENA

    Hotu Cave was modelled as nearly half ANE
    There was no full Hotu model presented in the 2018 preprint. On page 13 of the pdf you will find CHG being modeled as 22.2% AG3 and Ganj Dareh as 21.8% AG3.

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    Is there some Onge-like group involved at a deeper phylogenic level? That would be the other ENA related component aside from what is packed into ANE, that being a Bacho Kiro like population similar to Tiuanyan. I though I read somewhere of a Onge-like/South Eurasian component in Mal’ta.

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    Some time ago using AG member Korotyr's simulated coordinates below, I tried isolating ANE related admixture among South Asians, here I am sharing outputs relevant to this thread. No way an expert here, any feedback would be appreciated.

    Here is the original post with description of simulated coordinates:
    {Here's another take on the MENA ghosts. But note that as before I don't guarantee their accuracy.

    Proto-Natufian: Natufian without ANA/Taforalt. Possibly what the Kebarans or Ahmarians were like.
    Proto-CHG: The non ANE, Proto-Natufian and Anatolia-related signal of CHG.
    Proto-IranHG: The non ANE, Proto-Natufian, Anatolia-related and AASI signal in Iran_N.}"

    Coordinates used:
    Code:
    ITA_Villabruna,0.121791,0.114755,0.18592,0.184111,0.156337,0.060798,0.020211,0.035998,0.092445,0.018041,-0.016239,-0.016186,0.016947,-0.010046,0.054017,0.067356,0.000782,0.005448,-0.008422,0.053526,0.100073,0.010758,-0.048313,-0.163517,0.01928
    LUX_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
    ANE:RUS_MA1,0.078538,-0.025388,0.039598,0.186049,-0.068936,0.04518,-0.048412,-0.056998,-0.019839,-0.069432,0.029879,-0.009591,0.015312,-0.045553,0.014251,0.021082,-0.007693,0,-0.003645,0.000625,-0.027327,0.002844,0.011339,-0.008314,-0.001437
    ANE:RUS_AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
    Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated),0.154549,0.185486,-0.045424,-0.181721,0.03489,-0.100323,0.001981,-0.039605,0.09774,0.004875,0.044136,-0.019354,0.081207,0.037592,-0.017759,0.025542,-0.036934,0.037069,0.054803,0.04523,0.025848,0.0795 25,-0.051595,0.007188,0.001536
    Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated),0.04636,0.166384,-0.284809,-0.095302,-0.22379,0.073092,0.136269,0.063533,-0.416586,-0.212161,-0.076884,0.082412,-0.195129,0.054375,0.118876,-0.097862,0.070937,-0.041895,-0.093389,0.101255,0.131293,-0.064192,0.01097,-0.089728,0.00942
    Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated),-0.018132,0.220989,-0.444599,-0.189654,-0.384964,0.059763,0.116147,0.085296,-0.459418,-0.190244,-0.072849,0.022645,-0.086978,-0.027091,0.110616,0.195763,0.006996,-0.002614,0.033252,-0.190721,0.031566,-0.166249,-0.03519,-0.143988,0.070395
    MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
    CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN,0.0170734,-0.4421616,0.022778,-0.0515508,0.0196344,-0.0039602,0.0089774,0.0057692,-0.0035588,0.0106792,-0.0916846,-0.0111202,0.0117144,-0.0013762,-0.0077904,-0.0013258,-0.0005476,-0.0033952,-0.0051536,0.0010756,0.0009234,0.0163468,0.0057188,0.0008918,0.025794
    VNM_N,0,-0.386917,-0.064865,-0.031008,0.134333,0.06038,0.0036425,-0.010961,-0.0138055,-0.014579,0.0695835,-0.001499,-0.002007,0.001376,0.0169655,-0.0031155,-0.0011085,0.00076,-0.0020115,0.01532,-0.0034935,0.0084085,0.0030195,-0.0063865,0.034009
    VUT_1300BP_all,-0.04496,-0.2401725,-0.2213695,0.2398285,0.170801,-0.377339,0.0029375,0.0065765,-0.0224975,-0.0079275,-0.004141,0.001199,0.001784,-0.003647,-0.0059715,-0.0025855,0.005672,-0.0003165,-0.0002515,-0.0016885,0.003868,0.001731,-0.004375,-0.005181,-0.002275
    TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
    S_AASI_Sim_Avg,-0.007017607,-0.247268894,-0.229976338,0.16563825,-0.035368871,0.064331863,-0.015188881,0.027727614,0.147380455,0.101064071,-0.004664075,-0.004333522,0.003228897,0.026031903,-0.047720864,-0.045200255,0.010093749,0.000906224,0.000245098,0. 039040136,0.009429353,0.024010206,-0.003068505,0.015983546,-0.010868946
    Output:
    Target: IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N
    Distance: 1.5301% / 0.01530105
    27.8 MA1-AG3
    27.4 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    20.4 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    16.8 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    4.6 MAR_Taforalt
    2.2 Villabruna-Loschbour
    0.4 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.4 TUR_Barcin_N

    Target: IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1
    Distance: 2.4539% / 0.02453888
    27.2 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    23.8 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    22.6 MA1-AG3
    18.4 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    5.4 MAR_Taforalt
    2.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    0.2 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.2 Villabruna-Loschbour

    Target: IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    Distance: 1.8184% / 0.01818422
    27.8 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    25.8 MA1-AG3
    20.0 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    17.6 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    4.0 MAR_Taforalt
    3.8 Villabruna-Loschbour
    0.8 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.2 TUR_Barcin_N

    Target: TKM_Geoksyur_N:S14458
    Distance: 3.7061% / 0.03706137
    30.2 MA1-AG3
    18.4 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    17.6 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    14.2 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    11.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    6.4 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    1.6 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso:I1293
    Distance: 3.7083% / 0.03708311
    33.8 MA1-AG3
    23.2 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    15.2 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    13.6 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    7.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.8 MAR_Taforalt
    2.8 Villabruna-Loschbour
    0.8 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.6 VUT_1300BP_all

    Target: GEO_CHG:KK1
    Distance: 1.3278% / 0.01327836
    33.6 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    28.2 MA1-AG3
    26.0 TUR_Barcin_N
    8.4 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    3.6 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    0.2 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN

    Target: TJK_Sarazm_En
    Distance: 4.6061% / 0.04606126
    39.2 MA1-AG3
    16.4 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    13.4 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    12.6 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    9.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    8.6 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)

    Target: RUS_Tyumen_HG
    Distance: 4.4539% / 0.04453910
    90.2 MA1-AG3
    8.8 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN
    1.0 Villabruna-Loschbour

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    The fits aren't the best, but I think the proportions are good here.

     
    Basal_Eurasian:_(ZlatyKun_minusBachoKiro_minusWest Eurasian),-0.24975147,0.08352521,-0.18662581,-0.07857799,-0.09876815,-0.0045157,0.02287044,0.00412337,-0.02340582,-0.12339737,-0.02128384,-0.00532798,-0.00057635,0.06385334,0.01590436,-0.06542367,-0.06593601,0.02391111,0.03982903,-0.03242336,-0.00464218,-0.04740254,-0.03321988,0.02573228,0.02480176

    West_Eurasian:_(Kostenki_minusUstIshim),0.26457443 ,0.25842842,0.13767156,0.09021042,0.09491998,0.010 27218,0.02018624,-0.01490774,0.03230341,0.0196718,0.0333336,0.001601 81,-0.00108767,-0.05119067,0.01976453,0.06712005,0.03977388,-0.03413166,-0.00304146,0.04610968,0.06328151,0.00687135,-0.0350562,-0.12048361,0.02935869


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    Some time ago using AG member Korotyr's simulated coordinates below, I tried isolating ANE related admixture among South Asians, here I am sharing outputs relevant to this thread. No way an expert here, any feedback would be appreciated.

    Here is the original post with description of simulated coordinates:
    {Here's another take on the MENA ghosts. But note that as before I don't guarantee their accuracy.

    Proto-Natufian: Natufian without ANA/Taforalt. Possibly what the Kebarans or Ahmarians were like.
    Proto-CHG: The non ANE, Proto-Natufian and Anatolia-related signal of CHG.
    Proto-IranHG: The non ANE, Proto-Natufian, Anatolia-related and AASI signal in Iran_N.}"

    Coordinates used:
    Code:
    ITA_Villabruna,0.121791,0.114755,0.18592,0.184111,0.156337,0.060798,0.020211,0.035998,0.092445,0.018041,-0.016239,-0.016186,0.016947,-0.010046,0.054017,0.067356,0.000782,0.005448,-0.008422,0.053526,0.100073,0.010758,-0.048313,-0.163517,0.01928
    LUX_Loschbour,0.133173,0.106631,0.20176,0.192186,0.164338,0.055778,0.00611,0.036922,0.096535,0.02278,-0.020786,-0.016186,0.024975,-0.007432,0.065824,0.063643,0.008084,0.006714,-0.013324,0.065281,0.120038,0.019166,-0.059405,-0.175687,0.022992
    ANE:RUS_MA1,0.078538,-0.025388,0.039598,0.186049,-0.068936,0.04518,-0.048412,-0.056998,-0.019839,-0.069432,0.029879,-0.009591,0.015312,-0.045553,0.014251,0.021082,-0.007693,0,-0.003645,0.000625,-0.027327,0.002844,0.011339,-0.008314,-0.001437
    ANE:RUS_AfontovaGora3,0.093335,-0.01828,0.083344,0.231592,-0.091402,0.042949,-0.063688,-0.078228,-0.035383,-0.096221,0.047417,-0.010491,0.023637,-0.074454,0.020358,0.02254,-0.012908,0.003801,-0.003394,0.000625,-0.03706,0.015209,0.013927,0.009278,-0.005149
    Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated),0.154549,0.185486,-0.045424,-0.181721,0.03489,-0.100323,0.001981,-0.039605,0.09774,0.004875,0.044136,-0.019354,0.081207,0.037592,-0.017759,0.025542,-0.036934,0.037069,0.054803,0.04523,0.025848,0.0795 25,-0.051595,0.007188,0.001536
    Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated),0.04636,0.166384,-0.284809,-0.095302,-0.22379,0.073092,0.136269,0.063533,-0.416586,-0.212161,-0.076884,0.082412,-0.195129,0.054375,0.118876,-0.097862,0.070937,-0.041895,-0.093389,0.101255,0.131293,-0.064192,0.01097,-0.089728,0.00942
    Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated),-0.018132,0.220989,-0.444599,-0.189654,-0.384964,0.059763,0.116147,0.085296,-0.459418,-0.190244,-0.072849,0.022645,-0.086978,-0.027091,0.110616,0.195763,0.006996,-0.002614,0.033252,-0.190721,0.031566,-0.166249,-0.03519,-0.143988,0.070395
    MAR_Taforalt,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
    CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN,0.0170734,-0.4421616,0.022778,-0.0515508,0.0196344,-0.0039602,0.0089774,0.0057692,-0.0035588,0.0106792,-0.0916846,-0.0111202,0.0117144,-0.0013762,-0.0077904,-0.0013258,-0.0005476,-0.0033952,-0.0051536,0.0010756,0.0009234,0.0163468,0.0057188,0.0008918,0.025794
    VNM_N,0,-0.386917,-0.064865,-0.031008,0.134333,0.06038,0.0036425,-0.010961,-0.0138055,-0.014579,0.0695835,-0.001499,-0.002007,0.001376,0.0169655,-0.0031155,-0.0011085,0.00076,-0.0020115,0.01532,-0.0034935,0.0084085,0.0030195,-0.0063865,0.034009
    VUT_1300BP_all,-0.04496,-0.2401725,-0.2213695,0.2398285,0.170801,-0.377339,0.0029375,0.0065765,-0.0224975,-0.0079275,-0.004141,0.001199,0.001784,-0.003647,-0.0059715,-0.0025855,0.005672,-0.0003165,-0.0002515,-0.0016885,0.003868,0.001731,-0.004375,-0.005181,-0.002275
    TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
    S_AASI_Sim_Avg,-0.007017607,-0.247268894,-0.229976338,0.16563825,-0.035368871,0.064331863,-0.015188881,0.027727614,0.147380455,0.101064071,-0.004664075,-0.004333522,0.003228897,0.026031903,-0.047720864,-0.045200255,0.010093749,0.000906224,0.000245098,0. 039040136,0.009429353,0.024010206,-0.003068505,0.015983546,-0.010868946
    Output:
    Target: IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N
    Distance: 1.5301% / 0.01530105
    27.8 MA1-AG3
    27.4 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    20.4 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    16.8 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    4.6 MAR_Taforalt
    2.2 Villabruna-Loschbour
    0.4 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.4 TUR_Barcin_N

    Target: IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1
    Distance: 2.4539% / 0.02453888
    27.2 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    23.8 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    22.6 MA1-AG3
    18.4 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    5.4 MAR_Taforalt
    2.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    0.2 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.2 Villabruna-Loschbour

    Target: IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    Distance: 1.8184% / 0.01818422
    27.8 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    25.8 MA1-AG3
    20.0 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    17.6 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    4.0 MAR_Taforalt
    3.8 Villabruna-Loschbour
    0.8 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.2 TUR_Barcin_N

    Target: TKM_Geoksyur_N:S14458
    Distance: 3.7061% / 0.03706137
    30.2 MA1-AG3
    18.4 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    17.6 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    14.2 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    11.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    6.4 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    1.6 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso:I1293
    Distance: 3.7083% / 0.03708311
    33.8 MA1-AG3
    23.2 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    15.2 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    13.6 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    7.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.8 MAR_Taforalt
    2.8 Villabruna-Loschbour
    0.8 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.6 VUT_1300BP_all

    Target: GEO_CHG:KK1
    Distance: 1.3278% / 0.01327836
    33.6 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    28.2 MA1-AG3
    26.0 TUR_Barcin_N
    8.4 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    3.6 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    0.2 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN

    Target: TJK_Sarazm_En
    Distance: 4.6061% / 0.04606126
    39.2 MA1-AG3
    16.4 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    13.4 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    12.6 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    9.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    8.6 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)

    Target: RUS_Tyumen_HG
    Distance: 4.4539% / 0.04453910
    90.2 MA1-AG3
    8.8 CHN_Upper_Yellow_River_LN
    1.0 Villabruna-Loschbour
    Can u do the same for Iran_Chl?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kapisa View Post
    Output:
    Target: IRN_Tepe_Abdul_Hosein_N
    Distance: 1.5301% / 0.01530105
    27.8 MA1-AG3
    27.4 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    20.4 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    16.8 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    4.6 MAR_Taforalt
    2.2 Villabruna-Loschbour
    0.4 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.4 TUR_Barcin_N

    Target: IRN_Wezmeh_N:WC1
    Distance: 2.4539% / 0.02453888
    27.2 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    23.8 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    22.6 MA1-AG3
    18.4 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    5.4 MAR_Taforalt
    2.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    0.2 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.2 Villabruna-Loschbour

    Target: IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
    Distance: 1.8184% / 0.01818422
    27.8 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    25.8 MA1-AG3
    20.0 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    17.6 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    4.0 MAR_Taforalt
    3.8 Villabruna-Loschbour
    0.8 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.2 TUR_Barcin_N

    Target: TKM_Geoksyur_N:S14458
    Distance: 3.7061% / 0.03706137
    [B]30.2 MA1-AG3
    18.4 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    17.6 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    14.2 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    11.6 TUR_Barcin_N
    6.4 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    1.6 MAR_Taforalt

    Target: IRN_HotuIIIb_Meso:I1293
    Distance: 3.7083% / 0.03708311
    33.8 MA1-AG3
    23.2 Non_ANE_Proto-IranHG_(simulated)
    15.2 S_AASI_Sim_Avg
    13.6 Non_Taforalt_Proto-Natufian_(simulated)
    7.2 TUR_Barcin_N
    2.8 MAR_Taforalt
    2.8 Villabruna-Loschbour
    0.8 Non_ANE_Proto-CHG_(simulated)
    0.6 VUT_1300BP_all
    Really interesting how the AASI percentages are practically unchanged in most modern NW Indian/Pakistani groups in comparison to the Iran_N and related samples like Geoksyur/Hotu. Wonder if that's the same for ANE?
    Last edited by desi; 06-20-2021 at 09:15 AM.

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