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    Post Ancient dynasties, let us see who is what predictions

    Maternally I am related to Chola dynasty which started a Telugu Choda dynasty (H-Z5890) during Medieval era of Kamma origin



    The older Pandya Dynasty and few trading partners in Sri Lanka were probably also (H-Z5890) based heavy presence in the core areas of these places


    The Medieval Karnata Chandravamsi and the Bengali Sena dynasty were also probably closer branches to H-Z5890


    The ancient Jain king Kharavela of Kalinga was probably a upstream branch in H-Z5880-8




    Some of the ancient kings had trading partners which maintained colonies of International people even during 1500 BC. The marine colonies like Adichallanur, poompuhar were of great antiquity and skeletons resembling ancient white Mediterranean race were found in those places.
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    Na Ker yaar. Soon somebody will pop out and claim to be related to Ashoka, Gupta and Ghaznavid.

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    Presence of H-Z5890 among Levi Jews and in Europe, Iran and Arabia and in some communities in Pakistan also shows that there was active trade relations in Chalcolithic and Bronze age era. The presence of ancient sepecimens in Shahr-e-Sokhte and Gonur that are upstream of H-Z5890 at H1a1a4b (https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-Z4361/) shows strong trade networks extending into holocene prior to formation of these clades later in IA
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shujauddin View Post
    Na Ker yaar. Soon somebody will pop out and claim to be related to Ashoka, Gupta and Ghaznavid.
    Thats good. we can tell there are people out there descendants of Kings
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    H-Z5890 looks like a very successful clade with 9 branches in YFull, but isn't it too old to be associated with Chola dynasty? It's TMRCA is 4200 ybp, meaning the common ancestor lived around 2200 BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thejkhan View Post
    H-Z5890 looks like a very successful clade with 9 branches in YFull, but isn't it too old to be associated with Chola dynasty? It's TMRCA is 4200 ybp, meaning the common ancestor lived around 2200 BC.
    later Cholas start only in after 900AD. Some say the male lineage was gone and these were from Telugu Chola branches which are maternal. The more successful Telugu Chola branch was Velanadu Telugu Choda during 10-13th century who mentioned that they were Kamma caste merged with Kakatiya Dynasty who also mentioned they were Durjaya lineage/Kamma caste

    https://www.wisdomlib.org/south-asia...doc219674.html

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    I'd be interested to see them. But adoption was very prevalent among South Asian royal families. Especially Hindu.

    Historically they would often take adoptees from cousin branches but it wasn't always the case.
    Nonetheless it would be interesting to see the haplogroups of the older "rajput" dynasties. Those of Kangra, Mewar (Udaipur) and some U.P families can be quite old. Tomars would also be interesting. I tried to find some info on those guys but couldn't. Would be interesting if anyone found anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royaljoker View Post
    I'd be interested to see them. But adoption was very prevalent among South Asian royal families. Especially Hindu.

    Historically they would often take adoptees from cousin branches but it wasn't always the case.
    Nonetheless it would be interesting to see the haplogroups of the older "rajput" dynasties. Those of Kangra, Mewar (Udaipur) and some U.P families can be quite old. Tomars would also be interesting. I tried to find some info on those guys but couldn't. Would be interesting if anyone found anything.
    I know some of the Mewar royal family members, never asked them to get their DNA tested though.

    I can't remember if they were Suryavashi or Chandravashi Rajputs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    I know some of the Mewar royal family members, never asked them to get their DNA tested though.

    I can't remember if they were Suryavashi or Chandravashi Rajputs.
    Yeah, some of these dynasties are very old. it would be surprise if we start getting the Haplogroup of the big Rajput houses like Mewar, Jaisalmer, Jodhpur, Sekhawats, Jadeja, Solankis, Vaghela, Chauhans etc...

    Especially older Haplogroups like H are present at 20% and R2 at 13.8% J at 17.2% approx and low L F O and high R1 in one study.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deuterium_1 View Post
    I know some of the Mewar royal family members, never asked them to get their DNA tested though.

    I can't remember if they were Suryavashi or Chandravashi Rajputs.
    As per books itself, later Chandravanshi Yadu line was totally annihilated while the Chandravanshi Kuru line linked to Vedic-Aryan polities, was also later fathered by Rishi Vyas, son of Parashar, descended from the sage Vashistha, one of the chief belligerents and victors of the Battle of Ten Kings. So, if someone claims Chandravanshi paternal lineage, theoretically they must have the haplos of PGW Kuru Vedic -Aryan tribal R1a 1st though these claims appears very imaginary.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_dynasty
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_Kingdom
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain...y_Ware_culture

    The Suryavanshi lineage was the line of Ikshvaku whose polity was non Aryan or pre Aryan people as per Atharvaveda. Their kingdom in Kosala was responsible for emergence of Jainism and Buddhism which was mentioned to have threatened the Vedic Hindu (PGW?) culture of their immediate West. Kosala belonged to Northern Black Polished Ware (NBP) period which was distinct from the Kuru-Panchala PGW polity in the west. Similarities between NBP and much earlier Harappan culture was also noted by scholars. So, Suryavanshi pretenders likely must have the haplos of non-Vedic/Harappan line but then having Harappan y-line does not necessarily establish relations with Suryavanshis.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikshvaku
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosala
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nort..._Polished_Ware
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