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    Massive human head found in Chinese well - Homo longi - 'Dragon Man'

    The Guardian - Fri 25 Jun 2021

    Massive human head in Chinese well forces scientists to rethink evolution

    'Dragon Man' skull reveals new branch of family tree more closely related to modern humans than Neanderthals

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/...hink-evolution

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    BBC News - Fri 25 Jan 2021

    Scientists hail stunning 'Dragon Man' Discovery

    Chinese researchers have unveiled an ancient skull that could belong to a completely new species of human.

    The team has claimed it is our closest evolutionary relative among known species of ancient human, such as Neanderthals and Homo erectus.

    Nicknamed "Dragon Man", the specimen represents a human group that lived in East Asia at least 146,000 years ago.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57432104

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    Is it possible to test its DNA?

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    But the team has not yet tried to extract ancient DNA or proteins from the skull or molar to test that idea.
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    For now, the paper authors say they do not want to risk destroying the tooth or other bone to get DNA or protein.
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...-species-human
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    Sounds like Peking man 2.0

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    146,000 years ago would be shortly before the Ice age before the last one, or?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimore1937 View Post
    146,000 years ago would be shortly before the Ice age before the last one, or?
    146,000 was during the penultimate glacial period.

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    Finally we can have a reconstruction of Denisovan face based on a skull.

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    more closely related to modern humans than Neanderthals
    If that is true it can't be a Denisovan though since Neanderthals are closer to Sapiens(see any qpgraph; either Neanderthal gets admixture from Sapiens or Denisovan gets admixture from some 'deeper' clade).

    But then again this species being closer to modern humans is based on craniometry which is I believe is very unreliable, at least compared to genetic studies, in determining relatedness. So in the end this being a Denisovan seems to be the most likely option, never mind the output of the craniometry software.

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    more closely related to modern humans than Neanderthals
    I'm not completely abreast to this new story but what could they base this upon? They haven't extracted its DNA, therefore can't confirm if its truly closer to a human being than a Denisovan, which the skull itself might be(Denisovan) given how we have no previous examples to draw upon but based on the region and timeline it could very well be(Denisovan)...?

    So, are they basing its purported close(r) relation to humans based on craniometry? Aren't cranial features very prone to changing in a relatively short time within hominins?

    Am I getting this right? If so, doesn't sound very convincing to me that this can't be a Denisovan but I'm probably missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplayer View Post
    But then again this species being closer to modern humans is based on craniometry which is I believe is very unreliable, at least compared to genetic studies,
    That is exactly what I thought. Also, like the Xiahe mandible and the specimens from the Denisova cave, this cranium exhibits large molars that Denisovan are known for.

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