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Thread: Map - Busby et al Europe: U106; P312xL21,U152; L21; and U152

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    Smile Map - Busby et al Europe: U106; P312xL21,U152; L21; and U152

    I have cobbled together a Google map showing Busby et al results in Europe for U106; P312xL21,U152; L21; and U152. I know Busby is getting to be ancient history now, but it's the most thorough study of M269 we have. I did not include any locations with a sample size under 25, and I left out the locations in the Caucasus, since for almost all of them all the relevant categories were zero (there were two Caucasus locations where P312xL21,U152 came in at under one percent, but that was it). I also included a green balloon in Belgium for the results of the Brabant DNA Project and a red balloon in the Netherlands for the results of the Genome of the Netherlands DNA Project.

    I might update the map in the future with balloons for the y-dna results of other relevant studies.

    http://goo.gl/maps/TRznX

    I think a Google map of Busby results makes a handy visual reference. Just click on the balloons for the stats.

    Note: Some of the titles of the sample locations, particularly in Eastern Europe, do not match their listed map coordinates. I copied and pasted the map coordinates directly from the Busby spreadsheet, so the errors (few in number) are not mine.

    Let's discuss the map and the results.

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    Actually, I meant to start this thread in the "R1b General" subforum. If a mod or admin wants to move it, that would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Actually, I meant to start this thread in the "R1b General" subforum. If a mod or admin wants to move it, that would be appreciated.
    Thanks, DMXX!

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    Busby's biggest shortcoming, in my opinion, is the fact that it did not include testing for DF27, since DF27 had not yet been discovered when the study was conducted. I think it is a relatively safe guess to conclude that most of the P312xL21,U152 in Busby is actually DF27+, although not all of it.

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    Steve,
    Thanks for posting the map.
    Is there any chance of having separate coloured markers by SNP.
    I understand it is difficult with Google Maps but if you port it to Google Earth it may be easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heber View Post
    Steve,
    Thanks for posting the map.
    Is there any chance of having separate coloured markers by SNP.
    I understand it is difficult with Google Maps but if you port it to Google Earth it may be easier.
    That would be nice, and the new Google Maps has something called "layers", but I am not yet adept at the newer format. I'm not sure I want to put in the extra work it would take to produce separate balloons or separate maps for the different haplogroups. As it is, it took me hours over several days to produce this map.

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    I did not include Busby's stats for S29/U198 under U106 or for M222 under L21. Anyone who wants to can look those up for him or herself. No offense to members of either subclade, but they didn't seem that significant to me Europe-wide, and besides, there were numerous other subclades of both U106 and L21 not included in Busby.

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    Very nice but I think the major breakthrough will be obtained only when we can get a large database of full Y DNA SNPs, for instance, if we discover a cluster of Northern Portuguese U106 with 15 local specific SNPs exclusive to NW Iberia and anterior SNPs in Germany, then we will be able to associate them with the Suebi and that can be the methodology to understand the movements around Western Europe.

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    It may be a long time before that happens, since I think it would be pretty expensive to conduct a study with that kind of testing.

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    Quite a lot of U152 in southern and central Portugal...
    That's very interesting indeed!

    And U106 doesn't reach 30% anywhere in the Isles.
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