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    Human mobility at Tell Atchana (Alalakh), Hatay, Turkey during the 2nd millennium BC

    Human mobility at Tell Atchana (Alalakh), Hatay, Turkey during the 2nd millennium BC: Integration of isotopic and genomic evidence


    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0241883


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    Why do we have soooo many Levantine samples?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granary View Post
    Why do we have soooo many Levantine samples?
    Because working in Turkey and Israel is easier than to work in Mesopotamia, which is now mostly Syria and Iraq.

    UPD: but still, we did get results from Ebla in Syria, so I hope we will see Mesopotamian results sooner or later.

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    Last edited by David Bush; 07-01-2021 at 07:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granary View Post
    Why do we have soooo many Levantine samples?
    Because the bones don't dissolve like in the Netherlands?
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Bush View Post
    ALA136:
    E -> E-M5479 -> E-P147 -> E-P177 -> E-M215 -> E-M35 -> E-L539 (ISOGG: E1b1b1a)
    AND POSITIVE:
    FGC2166/M12008+
    L539 is equivalent to M78 and FGC2166 is equivalent to CTS1239, which means this individual belongs to haplotype E-M78>V12>CTS693>>CTS1239. So this is proof that E-V12>CTS693, and even E-M78 subclades as a whole, have been present in the Levant since at least the Middle Bronze age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Bush View Post
    Human mobility at Tell Atchana (Alalakh), Hatay, Turkey during the 2nd millennium BC: Integration of isotopic and genomic evidence


    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0241883

    ALA120 is derrived for several subclades downstream of J2a1a1a2b2a3b1/J-Z7675 .

    Most specific position on the YTree is J-Y17946

    J-Y17946 FT92020(?) Y17946+ Y18326+ Z30679(?) Z30680(?) Z30682+ Z30683(?) Z30684+ Z30685(?) Z30686(?) Z30689(?) Z30691(?) Z30693+ Z30694+ Z30696(?) Z30697(?) Z30699(?) Z30701+
    ┣━J-Y129013 FT29661(?) Y129013(?)
    ┗━J-Y150765 Y150765(?) Y27521(?)

    ALA131

    Most specific position on the YFull YTree is J-Y113289

    J-Y113289 BY37901+ BY37902(?) BY62890(?) BZ4233(?) F15199(?) F15950(?) F16259(?) F16463(?) F17308(?) F19006(?) F19539(?) F20446(?) F20504(?) F20614(?) F21504(?) F22810(?) F22875(?) F23083(?) F25019(?) F25609(?) F25940(?) FT12461(?) FT397675(?) L911(?) S27501(?) Y113289(?) Y144570(?) Y144571(?) Y151120(?) Y151121(?) Y151122(?) Y151123/BY193187(?) Y82175(?) Y98860(?)
    ┣━J-Y144533 +1 BY17755/F17221- F15834(?) F17240- F17599(?) F19733(?) F20311(?) F20437(?) F20546(?) F21055(?) F23036+ F24643(?) F25413(?) F25734(?) F25767(?) M166(?) Y144533(?) Y144543- Y144556(?) Y162652(?) Z4936-
    ┗━J-Y85978 +1 A14266(?) BY73251- BY76445(?) BZ4163(?) Y101054(?) Y102151(?) Y102156(?) Y102362(?) Y103093(?) Y105486(?) Y107985(?) Y109859(?) Y110188(?) Y111372(?) Y125883(?) Y154872(?) Y154873(?) Y154934(?) Y36729(?) Y81603(?) Y83526(?) Y85978(?) Y86298(?) Y86393(?) Y88110(?) Y91350(?) Y91854(?) Y93126(?) Y95943(?) Y96750(?) Y99029(?) Y99114(?) Y99669-
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    YDNA (P, maternal line): R-Y20756
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    Hurrian texts were found in Alalakh. Those somewhat northern shifted samples could be Hurrians.
    In the previous set the J1 was more frequent. Here J2 is more frequent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rozenfeld View Post
    Because working in Turkey and Israel is easier than to work in Mesopotamia, which is now mostly Syria and Iraq.

    UPD: but still, we did get results from Ebla in Syria, so I hope we will see Mesopotamian results sooner or later.
    I think the point is that Turkey is a very big place and samples are sorely lacking from other areas. Troy anyone?
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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