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Thread: Bulgarian Bronze age sample

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    Bulgarian Bronze age sample

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    BGR_MLBA,0.125205,0.103584,0.050911,0.082688,0.00277,0.031794,-0.00094,0.004846,-0.025361,-0.035718,-0.005846,-0.000599,-0.005203,-0.023671,0.029316,0.021082,0.009518,-0.001014,-0.001885,0.002501,-0.000749,-0.001607,0.005546,0.011086,0.000599
    Target: BGR_MLBA
    Distance: 4.9521% / 0.04952147
    39.0 Norwegian
    22.4 Latvian
    21.8 Darginian
    9.6 Jatt_Pathak
    6.6 Saami
    0.6 Karitiana
    Distance to: BGR_MLBA
    0.07921801 Norwegian
    0.08098114 Swedish
    0.08143795 Icelandic
    0.08160961 Ingrian
    0.08201733 Finnish
    0.08258186 Shetlandic
    0.08284657 Danish
    0.08353672 Irish
    0.08360696 Mordovian
    0.08465572 Dutch
    0.08482714 Russian_Kostroma
    0.08501148 Cossack_Kuban
    0.08524449 Russian_Tver
    0.08585468 Orcadian
    0.08594490 Scottish
    0.08650546 Moldovan_o
    0.08709831 Russian_Kursk
    0.08831174 Slovakian
    0.08928230 Karelian
    0.08958581 Finnish_East
    0.08959585 Russian_Orel
    0.08961617 Afrikaner
    0.08993982 Czech
    0.09070020 Welsh
    0.09101473 English

    Target: BGR_MLBA
    Distance: 2.3663% / 0.02366254
    75.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
    16.8 TUR_Barcin_N
    7.6 WHG
    0.6 MAR_Taforalt
    What exactly is this?

    A Steppe invader with little admixture from local EEF + WHG?
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    Target: Nino_scaled
    Distance: 1.6700% / 0.01669968 | R3P
    53.6 Goth_Kowalewko = Germanic
    39.2 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    7.2 RUS_Khaptsagai_IA = Steppe + Siberian

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    It looks like a direct unadmixed Steppe MLBA migrant.
    Last edited by Granary; 07-05-2021 at 08:54 PM.

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    Migrant from Srubnaya, maybe KMK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperAxe View Post
    Migrant from Srubnaya, maybe KMK.
    Pretty much this . Looks like a dead end. Many claim he is related to Proto-Greeks or Thracians but i really really doubt that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    Pretty much this . Looks like a dead end. Many claim he is related to Proto-Greeks or Thracians but i really really doubt that.
    He might be related to the appareance of cheek pieces and STP inspired weaponry amongst the Greeks but thats about it really.

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    Fascinating this sample picks up Taforalt too. The Taforalt ancestral signal comes from the minor Natufian/Levant_N component of ACF/ANF right? Or is it related to the Dzudzuana ancestry in Taforalt? Supposedly there is some kind of ANA component in Natufian/Levant_N as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Johnson View Post
    Fascinating this sample picks up Taforalt too. The Taforalt ancestral signal comes from the minor Natufian/Levant_N component of ACF/ANF right? Or is it related to the Dzudzuana ancestry in Taforalt? Supposedly there is some kind of ANA component in Natufian/Levant_N as well.
    It''s probably just G25 compensating for a lack of proper ancestry. I'm guessing it dissapears when you add a reference like that has either WSHG or Central Asian farmer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperAxe View Post
    It''s probably just G25 compensating for a lack of proper ancestry. I'm guessing it dissapears when you add a reference like that has either WSHG or Central Asian farmer.
    Very likely just noise G25 is picking up. With qpAdm, a model using only Srubnaya as a source for BGR_MLBA gets a decent tail, even with Central Asian populations in the right spot.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kjO...ew?usp=sharing

    He's a bit Steppe-heavy compared to the Steppe-MLBA average but that's barely noticeable.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sgd...ew?usp=sharing
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    Quote Originally Posted by altvred View Post
    Very likely just noise G25 is picking up. With qpAdm, a model using only Srubnaya as a source for BGR_MLBA gets a decent tail, even with Central Asian populations in the right spot.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kjO...ew?usp=sharing

    He's a bit Steppe-heavy compared to the Steppe-MLBA average but that's barely noticeable.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Sgd...ew?usp=sharing
    75+20% or 80+20% srubnaya+catacomb/poltavka perhaps?

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    Some of the Sintashta outliers had Steppe_EBA ancestry, so it wouldn't be particularly surprising.
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