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    Is this model good enough for Albanians?

    Hi, I recently made a simple 3-way model on G25 for modelling Albanians, the fit for scaled seems to be good, simple, and makes sense historically; adding Kura-Axes makes the fit even better. Please let me know what you think.

    How tight of a fit is good enough? I know one can theoretically play around forever and get smaller fits but I think past a certain point we must use formal methods... so far this seems to make sense given the history of the balkans.


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    I used averages for all sources btw... no cherrypicking barcin samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darknorman11 View Post
    I used averages for all sources btw... no cherrypicking barcin samples.
    I would just make a simple model with Iron age Balkan + Early Slavic sample.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    I would just make a simple model with Iron age Balkan + Early Slavic sample.
    Target: Albanian
    Distance: 2.2949% / 0.02294908
    70.4 BGR_IA
    29.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad

    Distance to: Albanian
    0.05178807 BGR_IA
    0.11311968 HUN_Avar_Szolad

    Target: Albanian
    Distance: 1.6719% / 0.01671888
    61.2 BGR_IA
    26.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    12.6 TUR_IA

    Distance to: Albanian
    0.05178807 BGR_IA
    0.11073387 TUR_IA
    0.11311968 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    Last edited by vasil; 07-18-2021 at 02:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    Target: Albanian
    Distance: 2.2949% / 0.02294908
    70.4 BGR_IA
    29.6 HUN_Avar_Szolad

    Distance to: Albanian
    0.05178807 BGR_IA
    0.11311968 HUN_Avar_Szolad

    Target: Albanian
    Distance: 1.6719% / 0.01671888
    61.2 BGR_IA
    26.2 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    12.6 TUR_IA

    Distance to: Albanian
    0.05178807 BGR_IA
    0.11073387 TUR_IA
    0.11311968 HUN_Avar_Szolad
    Is the Anatolian sample really accurate?

    I did not know Albanians had Anatolian admixture?
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    53.6 Goth_Kowalewko = Germanic
    39.2 Levant_LBN_MA_o6 = South Euro
    7.2 RUS_Khaptsagai_IA = Steppe + Siberian

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    It is intersting that the only two Anatolian Iron Age samples which we have in G25 have complementary ancestries:


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    It is intersting that the only two Anatolian Iron Age samples which we have in G25 have complementary ancestries:


    It would be very strange for a hellenistic era Anatolian to cluster so tightly with modern Turkish people no? Maybe its just incidental and this sample has some iron age steppe ancestry (Cimmerian/Scythian).

    EDIT: It's an incorrectly dated sample I think, it looks pretty much like Turkish people and it has genuine iron age Central Mongolian/Slab Grave ancestry, which during the Hellenestic period for sure had not made it's way to Anatolia yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperAxe View Post
    It would be very strange for a hellenistic era Anatolian to cluster so tightly with modern Turkish people no? Maybe its just incidental and this sample has some iron age steppe ancestry (Cimmerian/Scythian).

    EDIT: It's an incorrectly dated sample I think, it looks pretty much like Turkish people and it has genuine iron age Central Mongolian/Slab Grave ancestry, which during the Hellenestic period for sure had not made it's way to Anatolia yet.
    That was my thinking also.
    It looks that TUR_IA MA 2198 is a modern sample.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    Is the Anatolian sample really accurate?

    I did not know Albanians had Anatolian admixture?
    All Balkan people see an improvement when you add an Anatolian sample in your model, the BGR_IA sample lacks it so it must be something related to Alexander the Great and Roman times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CopperAxe View Post
    It would be very strange for a hellenistic era Anatolian to cluster so tightly with modern Turkish people no? Maybe its just incidental and this sample has some iron age steppe ancestry (Cimmerian/Scythian).

    EDIT: It's an incorrectly dated sample I think, it looks pretty much like Turkish people and it has genuine iron age Central Mongolian/Slab Grave ancestry, which during the Hellenestic period for sure had not made it's way to Anatolia yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    That was my thinking also.
    It looks that TUR_IA MA 2198 is a modern sample.
    Would like to mention that Davidski said that the other TUR_IA sample might be part Continental Celtic and part Anatolian, so that would also not be representative for the general population I think.

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