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    Attachment 45809 Seems a bit different using the standard spreadsheet on vahaduo

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    Doesn't seem to crazy compared to thraco-Illyrian ancients 421.PNG and Iranian dissapears right away when Kubano-tersk (related to catacomb) and vonyuchka is added 59491.PNG

    When only vonyuchka is added (confirmed by qpgraph via generalissimo to have no Iranian) Ganj_dareh drops to <1% Niq1.PNG. I still think kubano-tersk doesnt have any either but maybe it does.

    When a 0.25x penalty is applied with only steppe eneolithic confirmed by qpgraph to not have ganj dareh, there is no iranian at all. 51111111.PNG

    This does not seem stable enough to make overarching conclusions so far based on neolithic/eneolithic calculators. Sorry.
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    dosas: 56.25% Greek_Macedonia + 43.75% Greek_Trabzon @ 1.769
    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
    kid1: 56.25% English + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.817
    kid2: 56.25% English_Cornwall + 43.75% Greek_Cappadocia @ 1.866

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    Quote Originally Posted by darknorman11 View Post
    Doesn't seem to crazy compared to thraco-Illyrian ancients 421.PNG and Iranian dissapears right away when Kubano-tersk (related to catacomb) and vonyuchka is added 59491.PNG

    When only vonyuchka is added (confirmed by qpgraph via generalissimo to have no Iranian) Ganj_dareh drops to <1% Niq1.PNG. I still think kubano-tersk doesnt have any either but maybe it does.

    When a 0.25x penalty is applied with only steppe eneolithic confirmed by qpgraph to not have ganj dareh, there is no iranian at all. 51111111.PNG

    This does not seem stable enough to make overarching conclusions so far based on neolithic/eneolithic calculators. Sorry.

    If you use Vonyuchka together with Samara, then it stands for the Iranian_N admixture since the former is more West Asian shifted than the latter. You are over-fitting your model to get rid of the sample you don't like, basically.

    P.S. Penalties used will worsen the fit and force the minor admixtures (like the West Asian bit) to be eaten by the major ones (in this case the Steppe Eneo, which has considerable West Asian). That is common knowledge, dude, you don't use penalties when looking for minor parts.
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    You said west asian = Iranian admixture + levant. I came to falsify iranian... no doubt we have (west-asian) affinities; the argument is where the affinities come from.

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    also i sense some ghost source in the balkans. Romania_BA (ROU_BA) is very weird with its Iran_Neo affinities and gets horrible fits without archaic eurasians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darknorman11 View Post
    You said west asian = Iranian admixture + levant. I came to falsify iranian... no doubt we have (west-asian) affinities; the argument is where the affinities come from.

    You haven't falsified anything, though. The historical source of the West Asian admixture in both of some of the Greek groups, as well as Balkanites, in general, has yet to be proven.


    PS.

    For example, any of those groups could have brought Iranic admixture to the area:

    Alans

     

    (Migrations des Alains selon Nathalie Kálnoky : Des princes scythes aux capitaines des Iasses, in : Droit et cultures [cote INIST : 24217] n° 52, L'Harmattan publ., Paris 2006.)



    or Cumans/Pechenegs/Kipchaks, Ottomans themselves, especially in areas with concentration of those of the Islamic Faith, etc.


    Or it could be older, Bronze Age Greece has such affinities:

     

    Last edited by dosas; 07-31-2021 at 12:48 PM.
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    wife: 50% English + 50% Irish @ 1.837
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    You said countries that border Greece, now you are referring to the balkans in general? I said theoretical Bronze Age Anatolian can be modelled in Albanians to Montenegrins and Serbians and even some Croatians, also in historical Getae and Thracian samples. You then showed me a Neolithic model that when I added steppe Neolithic almost eliminated the Iranian. What’s the argument now? Bronze Age Anatolian across SE Europe?

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    I think my posts are pretty clear in their meaning. I am not partial to anyone's personal feelings on such West Asian admixtures being part of their profile. I don't see what else I could tell you w/o repeating myself.
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    Ok. I agree Albanians need a source more shifted to iran Neolithic compared with Yamnaya and eef populations, if that provides any consolation.
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