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    New Haplogroup F Sample on YFULL

    There's a new F2 (positive for the M427/MF34297 and M428 SNPs) sample on YFull, a private kit with ethnic Chinese background from Guizhou, China, under F-Y27277. Just thought this deserved a mention since this haplogroup is very, very rare.
    MDKA: Robert Boulay, b. 1631, Réveillon, Orne, France
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152 > L2 > Z367 > Z34 > Z33 > BY164497> BY3604

    Maternal Y-DNA: J2a-M67 > Z1847 > Y4036 > Z467 > Z447> L210

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemist223 View Post
    There's a new F2 (positive for the M427/MF34297 and M428 SNPs) sample on YFull, a private kit with ethnic Chinese background from Guizhou, China, under F-Y27277. Just thought this deserved a mention since this haplogroup is very, very rare.
    Seems related to that academic Kinh sample.
    Reminds me of how good that Magoon paper was.
    "Firstly, the tree shows that results for the 1000 Genomes Project sample HG02040 (Kinh population) indicate a separation in SNPs defining the branch for haplogroup F (Hg-F). In particular, although HG02040 has most of the key SNPs in common with other Hg-F samples, his results indicate ancestral results for three SNPs that are found to be derived (or no-call) for all other Hg-F samples (including Hg-G, Hg-H, Hg-I, and Hg-J): 8589031 C>T (variously known as F1329, M3658, PF2622, and YSC0001299), 14367181 G>A (known as M3684 and PF2661), and 22475403 A>C (which we denote here as Z12203); there is also another SNP with similar pattern, 14237670 C>T (known as M3680 and PF2657), where the tree indicates a back-mutation in the Hg-O sample NA18994. Thus, it would appear that these three SNP mutations define a new haplogroup (which might be called haplogroup “GHIJK”) that is downstream of Hg-F and upstream of the recently-identified Hg-HIJK [3]. Due to the presence of no-calls at key sites in HG02040, further study of this sample could identify additional “approximate Hg-F” SNPs for which HG02040 is ancestral (or alternatively, there is also a remote possibility that these ancestral results in HG02040 could be shown to be spurious)."
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/000802v1.full

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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Seems related to that academic Kinh sample.
    Reminds me of how good that Magoon paper was.
    "Firstly, the tree shows that results for the 1000 Genomes Project sample HG02040 (Kinh population) indicate a separation in SNPs defining the branch for haplogroup F (Hg-F). In particular, although HG02040 has most of the key SNPs in common with other Hg-F samples, his results indicate ancestral results for three SNPs that are found to be derived (or no-call) for all other Hg-F samples (including Hg-G, Hg-H, Hg-I, and Hg-J): 8589031 C>T (variously known as F1329, M3658, PF2622, and YSC0001299), 14367181 G>A (known as M3684 and PF2661), and 22475403 A>C (which we denote here as Z12203); there is also another SNP with similar pattern, 14237670 C>T (known as M3680 and PF2657), where the tree indicates a back-mutation in the Hg-O sample NA18994. Thus, it would appear that these three SNP mutations define a new haplogroup (which might be called haplogroup “GHIJK”) that is downstream of Hg-F and upstream of the recently-identified Hg-HIJK [3]. Due to the presence of no-calls at key sites in HG02040, further study of this sample could identify additional “approximate Hg-F” SNPs for which HG02040 is ancestral (or alternatively, there is also a remote possibility that these ancestral results in HG02040 could be shown to be spurious)."
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/000802v1.full
    Hmm, it seems that it is indeed related to the HG02040 sample from Vietnam, but it is more closely related to ERR1347713, a sample from China.
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    MDKA: Robert Boulay, b. 1631, Réveillon, Orne, France
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152 > L2 > Z367 > Z34 > Z33 > BY164497> BY3604

    Maternal Y-DNA: J2a-M67 > Z1847 > Y4036 > Z467 > Z447> L210

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    Wasnt that the branch that one of the Bacho Kiro samples maybe belongs to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vasil View Post
    Wasnt that the branch that one of the Bacho Kiro samples maybe belongs to?
    That's right!
    MDKA: Robert Boulay, b. 1631, Réveillon, Orne, France
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152 > L2 > Z367 > Z34 > Z33 > BY164497> BY3604

    Maternal Y-DNA: J2a-M67 > Z1847 > Y4036 > Z467 > Z447> L210

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemist223 View Post
    Hmm, it seems that it is indeed related to the HG02040 sample from Vietnam, but it is more closely related to ERR1347713, a sample from China.
    ERR1347713 is another label for HGDP01320, an individual in the HGDP sample of Lahu from China.

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    Btw there's also an Iranian Baloch who belongs to haplogroup F-Y27277.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thejkhan View Post
    Btw there's also an Iranian Baloch who belongs to haplogroup F-Y27277.
    Interesting! Where did you find this?
    MDKA: Robert Boulay, b. 1631, Réveillon, Orne, France
    Y-DNA: R1b-U152 > L2 > Z367 > Z34 > Z33 > BY164497> BY3604

    Maternal Y-DNA: J2a-M67 > Z1847 > Y4036 > Z467 > Z447> L210

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    Quote Originally Posted by alchemist223 View Post
    Interesting! Where did you find this?
    One of khanabadoshi's post in this thread: https://anthrogenica.com/archive/index.php/t-10906.html

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