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    Quote Originally Posted by avvaiyar View Post
    I used to think Russians have decent East Asian ancestry (like 10%)
    You're likely referring to HGDP Russians, which older calculators on gedmatch and some published papers use but dont specify that they are from Kargopol in Northern Russia.

    It's an area that up until relatively recently would have been Uralic-speaking.

    When comparing HGDP_Russians to central/southern Russians, it's evident that they are outliers in terms of Siberian admixture. Since southwestern and central Russia are its most densely populated parts, it's logical to assume that people living there represent the 'average' genetic profile better than samples only from Archangelsk/Northern Russia.

     


    It's visible on the above plot that Russians from Archangelsk share even more genetic drift with Nganasans/Kra001 than some speakers of Uralic languages.
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    There's new averages for Russians on G25



    Leshukonsky(northeastern Arkangel) seem to be even more Siberian than Pinegans/Pinezhky by a small amount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avvaiyar View Post
    I used to think Russians have decent East Asian ancestry (like 10%)
    The average is about 6-7% according to hundreds of results in Eurogenes K13. But most of it is of Siberian type like in Yakuts, Nganassan, etc., not Chinese.
    Finnish average is 8-9% in comparison.
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    K13 (hundreds of samples for Russians, not sure about the sample size for Finnish people)

    N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan EastAsian+Siberian+Amerindian
    Russian_average 26.03 47.5 8.65 5.49 2.99 0.68 1.32 0.45 4.75 1.23 0.46 0.15 0.31 6.43
    Russian_Kargopol 24.92 48.36 7.52 5.54 1.5 0.04 2.49 0.23 6.67 1.7 0.23 0.53 0.26 8.60
    Russian_Kostroma 26.19 48.54 6.21 5.35 3.19 0.39 1.05 0.69 6.37 1.16 0.52 0.19 0.16 8.22
    Russian_Northern_Dvina 26.52 49.43 5.57 4.65 1.14 0.51 0.99 0.44 8.6 1.19 0.47 0.17 0.34 10.23
    Russian_Smolensk 28.16 48.47 8.74 5.82 3.83 1.69 1.38 0.17 0.85 0.43 0.38 0.06 0.01 1.45
    Russian_Southwest 25.91 47.21 8.25 6.8 6.26 0.55 1 0.22 2.14 0.81 0.43 0.19 0.23 3.17
    Finnish_average 34.17 47.69 4.43 2.21 0.65 0.42 0.53 0.96 6.48 0.9 0.81 0.5 0.26 8.34
    Southwest_Finnish 38.5 43.46 6.96 1.93 1.34 0.49 0.69 0.1 4.96 1.1 0.25 0.14 0.08 6.16
    East_Finnish 30.71 49.54 4.49 1.63 0.22 0.82 1.48 0.7 8.59 0.71 0.69 0.05 0.37 10.00
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    K13 (hundreds of samples for Russians, not sure about the sample size for Finnish people)

    N_Atlantic Baltic West_Med West_Asian East_Med Red_Sea South_Asian East_Asian Siberian Amerindian Oceanian NE_African Sub-Saharan EastAsian+Siberian+Amerindian
    Russian_average 26.03 47.5 8.65 5.49 2.99 0.68 1.32 0.45 4.75 1.23 0.46 0.15 0.31 6.43
    Russian_Kargopol 24.92 48.36 7.52 5.54 1.5 0.04 2.49 0.23 6.67 1.7 0.23 0.53 0.26 8.60
    Russian_Kostroma 26.19 48.54 6.21 5.35 3.19 0.39 1.05 0.69 6.37 1.16 0.52 0.19 0.16 8.22
    Russian_Northern_Dvina 26.52 49.43 5.57 4.65 1.14 0.51 0.99 0.44 8.6 1.19 0.47 0.17 0.34 10.23
    Russian_Smolensk 28.16 48.47 8.74 5.82 3.83 1.69 1.38 0.17 0.85 0.43 0.38 0.06 0.01 1.45
    Russian_Southwest 25.91 47.21 8.25 6.8 6.26 0.55 1 0.22 2.14 0.81 0.43 0.19 0.23 3.17
    Finnish_average 34.17 47.69 4.43 2.21 0.65 0.42 0.53 0.96 6.48 0.9 0.81 0.5 0.26 8.34
    Southwest_Finnish 38.5 43.46 6.96 1.93 1.34 0.49 0.69 0.1 4.96 1.1 0.25 0.14 0.08 6.16
    East_Finnish 30.71 49.54 4.49 1.63 0.22 0.82 1.48 0.7 8.59 0.71 0.69 0.05 0.37 10.00
    Posting this just to compare my own results with ur chart and see where i fit on here
    North_Atlantic 25.61 Pct
    Baltic 48.83 Pct
    West_Med 10.11 Pct
    West_Asian 5.12 Pct
    East_Med 1.62 Pct
    Red_Sea -
    South_Asian 0.11 Pct
    East_Asian 1.91 Pct
    Siberian 4.31 Pct
    Amerindian 2.11 Pct
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African 0.29 Pct
    Sub-Saharan -

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    Quote Originally Posted by al.Krivich View Post
    Posting this just to compare my own results with ur chart and see where i fit on here
    North_Atlantic 25.61 Pct
    Baltic 48.83 Pct
    West_Med 10.11 Pct
    West_Asian 5.12 Pct
    East_Med 1.62 Pct
    Red_Sea -
    South_Asian 0.11 Pct
    East_Asian 1.91 Pct
    Siberian 4.31 Pct
    Amerindian 2.11 Pct
    Oceanian -
    Northeast_African 0.29 Pct
    Sub-Saharan -
    You are close to the average.

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    6.26188470 Mordovian
    6.37678602 Kujawy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    The average is about 6-7% according to hundreds of results in Eurogenes K13. But most of it is of Siberian type like in Yakuts, Nganassan, etc., not Chinese.
    Finnish average is 8-9% in comparison.
    Can you compare % East Asian in Finns & Russians vs Anatolian Turks? It would be interesting.

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    Thanks, this is very interesting. It does not differentiate the I1a / I2 (pardon me for my old terminology) but would I be correct to assume that the large quantity of this 'I' is ancestral to Balkan Serb I2, or is this Scando-Slavic I1a from settlement period?

    If the former, it would seem to discount the assertion that the Balkan I2 is not indigenous to the proto-Slavic peoples.

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