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    The genetic origin of Daunians and the Pan-Mediterranean southern Italian Iron Age

    We have our first Iron Age DNA from mainland Southern Italy! Thanks to pmokeefe for spotting it!

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    The genetic origin of Daunians and the Pan-Mediterranean southern Italian Iron Age context
    Serena Aneli, Tina Saupe, Francesco Montinaro, Anu Solnik, Ludovica Molinaro, Cinzia Scaggion, Nicola Carrara, Alessandro Raveane, Toomas Kivisild, Mait Metspalu, Christiana L Scheib, Luca Pagani

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    The geographical location and shape of Apulia, a narrow land stretching out in the sea at the South of Italy, made this region a Mediterranean crossroads connecting Western Europe and the Balkans. Such movements culminated at the beginning of the Iron Age with the Iapygian civilization which consisted of three cultures: Peucetians, Messapians and Daunians. Among them, the Daunians left a peculiar cultural heritage, with one-of-a-kind stelae and pottery, but, despite the extensive archaeological literature, their origin has been lost to time. In order to shed light on this and to provide a genetic picture of Iron Age Southern Italy, we collected and sequenced human remains from three archaeological sites geographically located in Northern Apulia (the area historically inhabited by Daunians) and radiocarbon dated between 1157 and 275 calBCE. We find that Iron Age Apulian samples are still distant from the genetic variability of modern-day Apulians, they show a remarkable genetic heterogeneity, even though a few kilometers and centuries separate them, and they are well inserted into the Iron Age Pan-Mediterranean genetic landscape. Our study provides for the first time a window on the genetic make-up of pre-imperial Southern Italy, whose increasing connectivity within the Mediterranean landscape, would have contributed to laying the foundation for modern genetic variability. In this light, the genetic profile of Daunians may be compatible with an autochthonous origin, with plausible contributions from the Balkan peninsula.
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    So they are west-med shifted?

    I'm curious what type of Balkan influence there was there.
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    and

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/...nalCode=yeja20

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...07.30.454498v1


    As I said it the past ...Daunians came from Hinterland Liburnia

    Within the described Pan Mediterranean landscape, the IAA/Daunians show a compelling 264
    heterogeneity, and the highest genetic affinity to Republican Romans and Iron Age Croatians,




    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburn...nia_5th_BC.png

    Iapodes are same as Daunians
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    We have our first Iron Age DNA from mainland Southern Italy! Thanks to pmokeefe for spotting it!
    So all in all, Iron Age Apulians were similar to IA Romans with some affinity to Illyrians. Not surprising at all.

    "We find that Iron Age Apulian samples are still distant from the genetic variability of modern-day Apulians"

    ^ Not surprising to most of us, very disappointing to some who hoped IA S. Italians were already East Med-like thanks to "Neolithic admix from the East", and that the Eastern shift seen in Imperial era samples from Rome was limited only to that city because of it's Cosmopolitan nature
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    So all in all, Iron Age Apulians were similar to IA Romans with some affinity to Illyrians. Not surprising at all.

    "We find that Iron Age Apulian samples are still distant from the genetic variability of modern-day Apulians"

    ^ Not surprising to most of us, very disappointing to some who hoped IA S. Italians were already East Med-like thanks to "Neolithic admix from the East", and that the Eastern shift seen in Imperial era samples from Rome was limited only to that city because of it's Cosmopolitan nature
    and Iron-age croatians......which are the Liburnians


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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    So all in all, Iron Age Apulians were similar to IA Romans with some affinity to Illyrians. Not surprising at all.

    "We find that Iron Age Apulian samples are still distant from the genetic variability of modern-day Apulians"

    ^ Not surprising to most of us, very disappointing to some who hoped IA S. Italians were already East Med-like thanks to "Neolithic admix from the East", and that the Eastern shift seen in Imperial era samples from Rome was limited only to that city because of it's Cosmopolitan nature
    It appears there is some Iran_N ancestry in them. qpadm.PNG

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    We'll have to get a good look at these in the G25 because the paper's PCA is less than stellar. SAL010 is an interesting outlier.

    Also... wtf:

    "and an individual from the 12th century Iron Age Ashkelon which clusters with ORD001"

    And lol @ this silliness again:

    "Amhara_NAF can be used as a proxy for the Non-African component in modern Ethiopian individuals that was tentatively linked to the Sea People, a Bronze Age nomadic seafaring population"

    Can't believe they are entertaining that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    We'll have to get a good look at these in the G25 because the paper's PCA is less than stellar. SAL010 is an interesting outlier.

    Also... wtf:

    "and an individual from the 12th century Iron Age Ashkelon which clusters with ORD001"

    And lol @ this silliness again:

    "Amhara_NAF can be used as a proxy for the Non-African component in modern Ethiopian individuals that was tentatively linked to the Sea People, a Bronze Age nomadic seafaring population"

    Can't believe they are entertaining that.
    Those dastardly Natufian-like Sea Peoples

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    Just from eyeing the PCA it appears modern Albanians can be accurately modelled as these people and Iron-Age EEs. Makes sense.
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