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    R1a in Tunisia

    There is a new study on Tunisian yDNA:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post789498

    What caught my eye was the fairly high amount of R1a in Slouguia:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...44-x/figures/1

    Are some subclades known and can this be attributed to Gothic lineages, other migrants or slaves? The Andalusians have clearly more European paternal contributions, which would point to Iberia and Goths probably.

    Interestingly one of the highest frequencies of European haplogroups have the black Tunisians from Jerba, while having the lowest rates of Middle Eastern ones. Clearly because the slave community consisted of Subsaharans with a good portion of Europeans, which were regularly taken into slavery, e.g. by the North African pirates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman View Post
    There is a new study on Tunisian yDNA:
    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post789498

    What caught my eye was the fairly high amount of R1a in Slouguia:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...44-x/figures/1

    Are some subclades known and can this be attributed to Gothic lineages, other migrants or slaves? The Andalusians have clearly more European paternal contributions, which would point to Iberia and Goths probably.

    Interestingly one of the highest frequencies of European haplogroups have the black Tunisians from Jerba, while having the lowest rates of Middle Eastern ones. Clearly because the slave community consisted of Subsaharans with a good portion of Europeans, which were regularly taken into slavery, e.g. by the North African pirates.
    Could be this as well: https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org...en%27s_Crusade
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543 >> PR5365, Pietro Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Djerba island had very important Jew communities (if I remember well).I donīt know if that could be related with the high proportion of R1a in that place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    Djerba island had very important Jew communities (if I remember well).I donīt know if that could be related with the high proportion of R1a in that place.
    I don't think there's any connection there. AFAIK - though I hope the uniparental experts here will correct me - R1a is not especially common in Sephardic populations, and not present at all in some: for instance, I believe it has a minor presence among Libyan Jews, but doesn't show up in Moroccan Jews. The (admittedly very old and probably limited) study of Djerban Jews seen here did not find any R1a in their Jewish samples. Also, Djerba is only one among several historical Jewish communities in Tunisia, and wasn't always the most important one, but it's perhaps more famous now because most of the other Jewish communities have disappeared from Tunisia.

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    One R1a Tunisian I know of belongs to the Mesolithic Eastern European line: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1306/ (user @Darko)
    Most of the rest (undertested) R1a Tunisians are probably under Z93: one small cluster from M'Saken (two people) is confirmed Z93 and one sample from Kairouan is predicted Z93.
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    N1c-L1026>CTS10760>VL29>Z4908>L550>L1025>M2783>Z17902> L591>Y5582
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    Quote Originally Posted by mokordo View Post
    Djerba island had very important Jew communities (if I remember well).I donīt know if that could be related with the high proportion of R1a in that place.
    ~60% of Djerban Cohanim are J-L70 (a small sample size, but they're a small population):

    https://yfull.com/live/tree/J-Z39271/
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    Maternal 6X Great Grandfather J1-ZS10441

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    Most probably related to slavery, it can't be a coincidence that it peaks among the black minority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabaon View Post
    Most probably related to slavery, it can't be a coincidence that it peaks among the black minority.
    It would be quite logical that this should be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPREEEEEME View Post
    ~60% of Djerban Cohanim are J-L70 (a small sample size, but they're a small population):

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    The local tradition of the island's Jewish community says that the first Jews settled in Yerba/Girba/Djerba after the destruction by the Emperor Nabucodonosor/Nebuchadnezzar II, in 586 BC, of ​​the Temple of Solomon, from which a door would have been incorporated into the synagogue of Ghriba.

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    In any case, in the Mediterranean many cultures and peoples flourished (and many vanished too) and it was a constant way of communication that allowed all of them to interact and influence each other (to a greater or lesser extent), we can find traces of any of them in any of their coasts. There is so much history in that sea that it is difficult to try to piece together such matters with little clues.

    Too much history on the coasts that bathe those waters.From North to South, and from East to West.

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