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    Very tidy now, good job! I'm all on my own at R-S1041, however on the big tree I was put as FGC14112, along with Meehan and Durkin. I do find all this quite exiting and very interesting, I'm sure this next few years we will find out a lot more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connell Warrior View Post
    I'm all on my own at R-S1041, however on the big tree I was put as FGC14112, along with Meehan and Durkin.
    Even at the present (kind of low) level of sorting, I notice that you have several strong off-modals, even from Meehan and Durkin. None of these four is on a "fast mutator" (red background for the STR name): DYS19=14, DYS392=11, DYS447=22, DYS617=13.

    I'm guessing there is still some SNP lurking in your BAM file that distinguishes you from the rest of your subclade. Unless your father worked at Oak Ridge, or something (like my father-in-law).

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    Even at the present (kind of low) level of sorting, I notice that you have several strong off-modals, even from Meehan and Durkin. None of these four is on a "fast mutator" (red background for the STR name): DYS19=14, DYS392=11, DYS447=22, DYS617=13.

    I'm guessing there is still some SNP lurking in your BAM file that distinguishes you from the rest of your subclade. Unless your father worked at Oak Ridge, or something (like my father-in-law).
    Ha ha, no he never worked there! I submitted to yfull but haven't heard back from them yet, I'm hoping they can pin a rough date on this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connell Warrior View Post
    Ha ha, no he never worked there! I submitted to yfull but haven't heard back from them yet, I'm hoping they can pin a rough date on this!
    I'll link your post about that, since Breckenheimer started this thread and he (among others) shares your FGC14124. Which we already knew from the Big Tree; I'm just picking up loose ends here. http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post140573

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    Theres a bit more information from Y Full coming through, its listing myself and Mike Durkin as R-M428, it gives an age estimation of between 250-1600 ybp, and rounds it to 700. Then it says age by all samples 550-1600 rounding it to 900ybp. I just thought it was interesting to get some lower dates rather than 5000 years ago!
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    I have some STR variants info starting to come through on Y Full. There are 16 private mutations below R-M428, they estimated the age of my match to another R-M428 man as around 900 years, so does this mean my line has 16 mutations in 900 years? So that's roughly one every couple of generations? It says the results of the private mutations will come later. I find this analysis fascinating and well worth the $49 fee.

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    Working on the results from very recent SNP packs (one DF27, one M343) it has come to my attention that a couple of branches below DF17 (per Alex's Big Tree) aren't on the FTDNA haplotree, and presumably are being missed by the original versions of these SNP packs. OK at the M343 level, those people should expect to need another pack -- but not good in the case of the DF27 pack, if that's the only one available to you guys. DF17 has no separate project, and not a very loud voice at the lab, I suspect. I'll paste in something from a comment I made today on the "My Groups" discussion page for DF27:

    [The DF27 SNP pack is] for anybody who is DF27+, Z195- (hundreds of our project members). The single exception I know of is DF17 -- which, with its subclades, is also tested on the DF27 pack, though it is Z195+. That's left over from the prior release of a Z209 pack (and DF17 isn't downstream of Z209). [Edit: DF17 also has at least two branches that aren't being tested by the DF27 pack, because they were discovered more recently, or not in BigY tests. This needs to be addressed when the DF27 pack is updated. One is Y14050; and a couple of samples from 1000 Genomes point to another, although its SNP has not yet been identified.] http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php...624&star=false

    Just in case you want to agitate about it. I can't make recommendations on an FTDNA platform about how to address this issue by using other companies.

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    What's interesting is that S1041 is also found under my S1051 group (not connected to your S1041 mutation). It goes to show why testing "multiple" SNP's to validate a line is so important.

    George

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    I was just having a look on Y Full and see that Mr McDonald has now joined myself and Mike Durkin in R-M428, I'm pretty certain that this particular McDonald would have originated in Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connell Warrior View Post
    I was just having a look on Y Full and see that Mr McDonald has now joined myself and Mike Durkin in R-M428, I'm pretty certain that this particular McDonald would have originated in Ireland.
    Is this the same McDonald that shows on the Big Tree as from Scotland? Likely earlier origins would be from Ireland since the Scots came from Ireland in the Dál Riata migration from Ireland to Scotland in the 7th century A.D.

    Y-Full gives a very recent TMRCA -- between 1450 and 600 years before present for R-M428. Perhaps McDonald's ancestor was part of the Dal Riata, while that of Connell, Mulvihill, Meehan and Durkin were not.
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