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Thread: Faces of Three Ancient Egyptians Brought to Life Using 2,000-Year-Old DNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    What do you mean?

    We know more Egyptians are in the pipeline, if that's any consolation.
    I am referring to the over interpretation of this sample as being representative of Ancient Egypt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansamusa View Post
    I am referring to the over interpretation of this sample as being representative of Ancient Egypt.
    They might be representative and I don't think it's a coincidence they look like modern egyptians.

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    Would be interesting if they could compare these reconstructions' features to those of the mummies the DNA was sampled from in the first place. It could test the ability of the technology to accurately reconstruct human facial features with D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansamusa View Post
    I am referring to the over interpretation of this sample as being representative of Ancient Egypt.
    I don't know what you realistically expect is going to happen in this space, but if I were you I'd be preparing myself for the strong possibility that these guys will be representative of their period and will also be similar to people from earlier periods, although not exactly the same. I predict the difference between Old Kingdom Egyptians and post-Hyksos Egyptians will be similar to the difference between Mycenaeans and Hellenistic Greeks-- not identical but still in the same class more or less. Any expectation of extreme differentiation between pre and post-Hyksos Egyptians is not realistic; spare yourself the disappointment now, trust me.
    Ελευθερία ή θάνατος.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalis Moriopoulos View Post
    I don't know what you realistically expect is going to happen in this space, but if I were you I'd be preparing myself for the strong possibility that these guys will be representative of their period and will also be similar to people from earlier periods, although not exactly the same. I predict the difference between Old Kingdom Egyptians and post-Hyksos Egyptians will be similar to the difference between Mycenaeans and Hellenistic Greeks-- not identical but still in the same class more or less. Any expectation of extreme differentiation between pre and post-Hyksos Egyptians is not realistic; spare yourself the disappointment now, trust me.
    I have no idea what you mean by extreme differentiation. I am simply pointing out the naivete of people on this forum expecting aDNA from an ancient Macedonian living in Ancient Egypt to be representative of Ancient Egypt as a whole. It is similar to the naivete and cognitive dissonance of expecting Basal Eurasian to be something else besides African, to be honest. People on this forum need to learn to stop investing so much in shoddy methodology. Anyway, what you are saying is unclear. The argument is whether or not AE is indigenous ancestry. These samples were used and continue to be used to argue in favor of a Levantine/Eurasian origin for Ancient Egypt. We have been arguing that the population of Ancient Egypt was descended from an indigenous African population native to the Egyptian and Nubian Nile Valley and the surrounding Sahara deserts. This is the heart of the matter.

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    Despite agreeing with Mansamusa, can I just say that I'm damn tired of all the ancient Egyptian debates on this forum? Sheesh, you guys could at least have waited until more aDNA samples came down the pipeline so we would have more data to argue over.
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    Please let's not create drama where there is none. Basically all that's occurred in this thread is the sharing of some information about a study. Hardly anyone has commented on anything. If you wish to comment on the substance of the study posted here, feel free. Otherwise let's wait until a debate has actually been had before we make pronouncements about said debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mansamusa View Post
    We have been arguing that the population of Ancient Egypt was descended from an indigenous African population native to the Egyptian and Nubian Nile Valley and the surrounding Sahara deserts. This is the heart of the matter.
    So an indigenous African population native to the Nile Valley and surrounding Sahara deserts that was genetically like people from the Levant/Eurasia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamm View Post
    The one on the far right looks typically modern-day Egyptian, the two others on the left give me more a berber North-West African look.
    Oddly enough JK2911 is the sample that has more North African ancestry.
    He seems to entirely lack the Pastoral_N related ancestry that every other Egyptian sample has as well as having excess North African.
    JK2911 is a higher coverage sample which allows for more accurate imputation maybe thats why he looks more distinctly Egyptian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philjames View Post
    So an indigenous African population native to the Nile Valley and surrounding Sahara deserts that was genetically like people from the Levant/Eurasia?
    Does this make any sense to you?

    I mean, any sense at all?

    Anyways, i have no intent to join any person on this very tiring topic.
    Let us all await more aDNA from all periods and regions in the Nile Valley. They will come
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