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    Do My oracles suggest that I am part western european?

    So far i've only posted oracles that confirmed my belief in my own Russian-ness, but recently after downloading admixture studio and repeatedly getting this:
    wtf.JPG on multiple calculators, i have started doubting my russian-ness
    It's further even more bizarre as I have ancestors coming from Mari village and one confirmed Moksha ancestor, that I would be so western. Although I am 1/4 Ukrainian there is still no way I can be so western.
    Here are all my oracles off GEDmatch, tell me if I seem like a true russian to you, or if I do indeed have some western spy ancestry

    Eurogenes K13:
    1 59.8% Kargopol_Russian + 40.2% Estonian_Polish @ 3.46
    2 69.9% Kargopol_Russian + 30.1% Polish @ 3.46
    3 69.9% Kargopol_Russian + 30.1% Ukrainian @ 3.46
    4 52.3% Erzya + 47.7% Polish @ 3.5
    5 62.9% Kargopol_Russian + 37.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.51
    6 70.3% Kargopol_Russian + 29.7% Belorussian @ 3.77
    7 76.9% Kargopol_Russian + 23.1% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.8
    8 66% Kargopol_Russian + 34% Southwest_Russian @ 3.83
    9 74.3% Kargopol_Russian + 25.7% Lithuanian @ 3.84
    10 79.9% Kargopol_Russian + 20.1% South_Polish @ 3.85
    11 70.9% Kargopol_Russian + 29.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.86
    12 60.1% Estonian_Polish + 39.9% Erzya @ 3.89
    13 74.8% Lithuanian + 25.2% Tatar @ 3.9
    14 52.4% Erzya + 47.6% Ukrainian @ 3.91
    15 84.8% Estonian_Polish + 15.2% Chuvash @ 3.95
    16 90.1% Lithuanian + 9.9% Kirgiz @ 4
    17 89.4% Lithuanian + 10.6% Kazakh @ 4.02
    18 94% Estonian_Polish + 6% Hakas @ 4.03
    19 88.5% Kargopol_Russian + 11.5% Croatian @ 4.05
    20 93.7% Estonian_Polish + 6.3% Shors @ 4.08

    Eurogenes K15:
    1 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Erzya @ 5.51
    2 61.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 38.7% Erzya @ 5.69
    3 55.2% Ukrainian + 44.8% Estonian @ 5.74
    4 65% Estonian + 35% Erzya @ 5.81
    5 67.8% Ukrainian + 32.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.98
    6 53.8% Estonian + 46.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 5.99
    7 89.6% Ukrainian + 10.4% Chuvash @ 6.12
    8 91.6% Ukrainian + 8.4% Mari @ 6.14
    9 59% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41% Kargopol_Russian @ 6.16
    10 74.9% Ukrainian + 25.1% East_Finnish @ 6.19
    11 72.7% Ukrainian + 27.3% Lithuanian @ 6.26
    12 77.7% Estonian + 22.3% Moldavian @ 6.3
    13 96.2% Ukrainian + 3.8% Selkup @ 6.33
    14 96.2% Ukrainian + 3.8% Ket @ 6.33
    15 91.3% Estonian + 8.7% Nogay @ 6.34
    16 83.7% Estonian + 16.3% Tatar @ 6.35
    17 91.9% Estonian + 8.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.4
    18 95.6% Ukrainian + 4.4% Shors @ 6.41
    19 96.9% Ukrainian + 3.1% Chukchi @ 6.41
    20 96.4% Ukrainian + 3.6% West_Greenlander @ 6.42

    MDLP K16:
    1 52.9% Erzya_Moksha (Mordovia) + 47.1% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 3.11
    2 94.1% Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) + 5.9% Tubalar ((Altai)) @ 3.38
    3 56.7% Pole (EastPoland) + 43.3% Finn (EastFinland) @ 3.49
    4 54.8% Erzya_Moksha (Mordovia) + 45.2% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) @ 3.52
    5 66.5% Pole (Poland) + 33.5% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 3.58
    6 55.3% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 44.7% Russian (Russia) @ 3.64
    7 89.2% Ingrians (Ingermanland) + 10.8% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 3.67
    8 50.3% Dutch (Netherlands) + 49.7% Finn (EastFinland) @ 3.68
    9 56.6% Dutch (Netherlands) + 43.4% Russian (Pinega) @ 3.71
    10 51.2% Finn (EastFinland) + 48.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 3.72
    11 89.4% Ingrians (Ingermanland) + 10.6% Adygei (Adygea) @ 3.72
    12 91.3% Ingrians (Ingermanland) + 8.7% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 3.72
    13 89.2% Ingrians (Ingermanland) + 10.8% Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 3.74
    14 54.1% Russians-West (WestRussian) + 45.9% Scottish (Argyll_bute) @ 3.75
    15 60.4% Finn (EastFinland) + 39.6% Croat (Croatia) @ 3.76
    16 56.7% Erzya_Moksha (Mordovia) + 43.3% Irish (Connacht) @ 3.76
    17 56.8% Pole (Wroclaw) + 43.2% Finn (EastFinland) @ 3.79
    18 90.5% Ingrians (Ingermanland) + 9.5% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 3.81
    19 92.5% Belarusian (Belarus) + 7.5% Tubalar ((Altai)) @ 3.81
    20 58.8% Erzya_Moksha (Mordovia) + 41.2% English (Cornwall) @ 3.83

    MLDP K23b:
    84.4% Kashub ( ) + 15.6% Udmurd ( ) @ 2.19
    2 93.2% Kashub ( ) + 6.8% Khant ( ) @ 2.29
    3 78.5% Kashub ( ) + 21.5% Komi ( ) @ 2.32
    4 92.4% Kashub ( ) + 7.6% Mansi ( ) @ 2.42
    5 80.9% Kashub ( ) + 19.1% Chuvash ( ) @ 2.42
    6 87.8% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 12.2% Italian_Bergamo ( ) @ 2.48
    7 87% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 13% Italian_Piedmont ( ) @ 2.48
    8 93.2% Sorb ( ) + 6.8% Khant ( ) @ 2.5
    9 84.5% Sorb ( ) + 15.5% Udmurd ( ) @ 2.51
    10 73.3% Kashub ( ) + 26.7% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) @ 2.52
    11 83.1% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 16.9% Italian_North ( ) @ 2.59
    12 92.4% Sorb ( ) + 7.6% Mansi ( ) @ 2.63
    13 74% Slovak ( ) + 26% Komi ( ) @ 2.64
    14 85.4% Kashub ( ) + 14.6% Mari ( ) @ 2.64
    15 87.1% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 12.9% Italian_Tuscan ( ) @ 2.66
    16 74.1% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 25.9% Austrian ( ) @ 2.67
    17 93.2% Kashub ( ) + 6.8% Ket ( ) @ 2.7
    18 70.3% Russian-Upper-Volga ( ) + 29.7% Hungarian ( ) @ 2.72
    19 69.7% Mordovian ( ) + 30.3% Belgian ( ) @ 2.75
    20 52.4% Vepsa ( ) + 47.6% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 2.75

    MLDP World:
    95.9% Russian_South + 4.1% Nivhi @ 1.87
    2 97.2% Russian_South + 2.8% Hezhen @ 1.87
    3 97.2% Russian_South + 2.8% Daur @ 1.89
    4 97.1% Russian_South + 2.9% Mongola @ 1.89
    5 97.2% Russian_South + 2.8% Xibo @ 1.91
    6 96.7% Russian_South + 3.3% Mongol @ 1.93
    7 96.6% Russian_South + 3.4% Kalmyk @ 1.94
    8 97.2% Russian_South + 2.8% Oroqen @ 1.98
    9 97.5% Russian_South + 2.5% Japanese @ 1.98
    10 97.4% Russian_South + 2.6% Tu @ 2.01
    11 96.3% Russian_South + 3.7% Kyrgyz @ 2.02
    12 96.8% Russian_South + 3.2% Buryat @ 2.02
    13 96.2% Russian_South + 3.8% Altaic @ 2.03
    14 95.8% Russian_South + 4.2% Kazakh @ 2.04
    15 96.9% Russian_South + 3.1% Tuva @ 2.05
    16 97.7% Russian_South + 2.3% Naxi @ 2.05
    17 97.7% Russian_South + 2.3% Yizu @ 2.06
    18 97.6% Russian_South + 2.4% Indian-East @ 2.07
    19 97.7% Russian_South + 2.3% Han-Beijing @ 2.07
    20 95.8% Russian_South + 4.2% Hakas
    MLDP World22:
    63.4% Mordovian (derived) + 36.6% Swedish_V (derived) @ 2.41
    2 65.4% Mordovian (derived) + 34.6% Swedish (derived) @ 2.62
    3 72.6% Mordovian (derived) + 27.4% Norwegian_V (derived) @ 3.04
    4 50.1% Russian_North (derived) + 49.9% Slovakian (derived) @ 3.08
    5 55.2% Russian_North (derived) + 44.8% Czech (derived) @ 3.15
    6 59.5% Russian_North (derived) + 40.5% German-North (derived) @ 3.22
    7 61% Russian_North (derived) + 39% Slovenian (derived) @ 3.3
    8 66.7% Russian_North (derived) + 33.3% Austrian (derived) @ 3.37
    9 64.1% Mordovian (derived) + 35.9% German-North (derived) @ 3.39
    10 76.7% Mordovian (derived) + 23.3% Orcadian (derived) @ 3.4
    11 56.1% Russian_North (derived) + 43.9% German (derived) @ 3.46
    12 66.7% Russian_North (derived) + 33.3% German_V (derived) @ 3.47
    13 74% Mordovian (derived) + 26% Welsh (derived) @ 3.55
    14 75.9% Mordovian (derived) + 24.1% CEU (derived) @ 3.57
    15 76.9% Mordovian (derived) + 23.1% British (derived) @ 3.61
    16 70.7% Mordovian (derived) + 29.3% CEU_V (derived) @ 3.62
    17 63.8% Russian_North (derived) + 36.2% Hungarian (derived) @ 3.65
    18 66.6% Russian_North (derived) + 33.4% CEU_V (derived) @ 3.66
    19 70.3% Russian_North (derived) + 29.7% Welsh (derived) @ 3.75
    20 61.2% Mordovian (derived) + 38.8% German (derived) @ 3.83


    Dodecad V3:

    1 55.9% Russian (HGDP) + 44.1% Argyll (1000 Genomes) @ 1.79
    2 56.3% Russian (HGDP) + 43.7% CEU (HapMap) @ 2.05
    3 57% Russian (HGDP) + 43% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.06
    4 55.8% Russian (HGDP) + 44.2% N._European (Xing) @ 2.14
    5 57.1% Russian (HGDP) + 42.9% Orkney (1000 Genomes) @ 2.15
    6 65% Finnish (Dodecad) + 35% Romanians_14 (Behar) @ 2.28
    7 61.3% Russian (HGDP) + 38.7% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.41
    8 75.3% Finnish (Dodecad) + 24.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.52
    9 50.1% German (Dodecad) + 49.9% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.53
    10 62.6% Russian (HGDP) + 37.4% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.64
    11 68.3% Russian (Dodecad) + 31.7% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) @ 2.9
    12 63.9% Russian (HGDP) + 36.1% Kent (1000 Genomes) @ 2.94
    13 53.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.9% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.98
    14 61.1% Finnish (Dodecad) + 38.9% Balkans (Dodecad) @ 3.02
    15 67.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 32.5% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 3.11
    16 68.8% Russian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Irish (Dodecad) @ 3.27
    17 65.4% Russian (HGDP) + 34.6% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) @ 3.34
    18 77.9% Finnish (Dodecad) + 22.1% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.4
    19 64.9% Russian (HGDP) + 35.1% British (Dodecad) @ 3.44
    20 77.3% Finnish (Dodecad) + 22.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.48

    Dodecad World 9:
    95.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 4.5% CLM30 @ 1.14
    2 96.8% Russian (Dodecad) + 3.2% MEX30 @ 1.16
    3 96.3% Russian (Dodecad) + 3.7% Colombian @ 1.2
    4 97.2% Russian (Dodecad) + 2.8% Ecuadorian @ 1.22
    5 98.1% Russian (Dodecad) + 1.9% PEL30 @ 1.36
    6 96.3% Russian_B (Behar) + 3.7% WestGreenland @ 1.39
    7 97.2% Russian_B (Behar) + 2.8% EastGreenland @ 1.41
    8 98.4% Russian (Dodecad) + 1.6% Maya @ 1.42
    9 91.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 8.4% Aleut @ 1.44
    10 98.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 1.5% Colombians @ 1.45
    11 98.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 1.5% Pima @ 1.45
    12 98.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 1.5% Karitiana @ 1.45
    13 98.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 1.5% Surui @ 1.45
    14 82.9% Belorussian (Behar) + 17.1% Aleut @ 1.47
    15 95.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 4.5% PUR30 @ 1.51
    16 98% Russian (Dodecad) + 2% Athabask @ 1.52
    17 94.3% Belorussian (Behar) + 5.7% Chukchi @ 1.58
    18 94% Russian (Dodecad) + 6% Brazilian (Dodecad) @ 1.59
    19 97.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 2.4% Athabask @ 1.59
    20 97.5% Russian_B (Behar) + 2.5% Chukchi

    Dodecad K7b:
    70.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 29.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 1.13
    2 78.1% Belorussian (Behar) + 21.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 1.19
    3 53.3% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 46.7% Russian (HGDP) @ 1.22
    4 97.8% Russian_B (Behar) + 2.2% Yakut (HGDP) @ 1.22
    5 97.8% Russian_B (Behar) + 2.2% Yukagir (Rasmussen) @ 1.22
    6 97.9% Russian_B (Behar) + 2.1% Evenk (Rasmussen) @ 1.24
    7 71.9% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 28.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 1.24
    8 97.6% Russian_B (Behar) + 2.4% Dolgan (Rasmussen) @ 1.25
    9 97% Russian (Dodecad) + 3% Mongol (Rasmussen) @ 1.27
    10 98% Russian_B (Behar) + 2% Nganassan (Rasmussen) @ 1.27
    11 97.2% Russian_B (Behar) + 2.8% Ket (Rasmussen) @ 1.28
    12 97% Russian_B (Behar) + 3% Selkup (Rasmussen) @ 1.29
    13 96% Russian (Dodecad) + 4% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 1.31
    14 91.1% Russian_B (Behar) + 8.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 1.33
    15 97.4% Russian_B (Behar) + 2.6% Tuva (Rasmussen) @ 1.35
    16 97.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 2.5% Oroqen (HGDP) @ 1.36
    17 97.5% Russian_B (Behar) + 2.5% Buryat (Rasmussen) @ 1.36
    18 97.5% Russian (Dodecad) + 2.5% Daur (HGDP) @ 1.36
    19 96.9% Russian (Dodecad) + 3.1% Altai (Rasmussen) @ 1.37
    20 97.4% Russian (Dodecad) + 2.6% Buryat (Rasmussen)

    Dodecad K12b
    64.4% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 35.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 1.71
    2 64.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% English (Dodecad) @ 1.98
    3 64% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 36% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.98
    4 64.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 35.3% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 1.99
    5 66.9% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 33.1% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 1.99
    6 66.5% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 33.5% British (Dodecad) @ 2
    7 61.2% Russian (HGDP) + 38.8% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.04
    8 61.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 38.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.14
    9 80.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 19.2% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 2.21
    10 65.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 34.2% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.24
    11 65.5% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 34.5% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.33
    12 61% Russian (HGDP) + 39% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.33
    13 82.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 17.3% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 2.35
    14 64.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 35.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.38
    15 64.4% Russian (HGDP) + 35.6% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.45
    16 51.8% Russian (HGDP) + 48.2% German (Dodecad) @ 2.46
    17 63.8% Russian (HGDP) + 36.2% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.52
    18 64% Russian (HGDP) + 36% English (Dodecad) @ 2.57
    19 65.1% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 34.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.63
    20 61.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) + 38.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)

    Harappaworld:
    68.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 31.6% utahn-white (hapmap) @ 2.14
    2 66.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 33.2% n-european (xing) @ 2.22
    3 72.6% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 27.4% british (1000genomes) @ 2.24
    4 71.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 28.7% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.26
    5 72% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 28% orcadian (hgdp) @ 2.33
    6 87.9% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 12.1% basque (hgdp) @ 2.89
    7 87.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 12.5% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.93
    8 60.4% russian (hgdp) + 39.6% n-european (xing) @ 3.02
    9 65.4% russian (hgdp) + 34.6% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 3.09
    10 73.3% russian (hgdp) + 26.7% french (hgdp) @ 3.1
    11 79.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 20.7% french (hgdp) @ 3.25
    12 60.4% russian (hgdp) + 39.6% hungarian (behar) @ 3.69
    13 66.3% russian (behar) + 33.7% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.77
    14 81.2% russian (hgdp) + 18.8% spaniard (behar) @ 3.8
    15 86.4% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 13.6% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.83
    16 81.7% russian (hgdp) + 18.3% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.92
    17 57.5% russian (hgdp) + 42.5% slovenian (xing) @ 3.98
    18 67.4% russian (behar) + 32.6% british (1000genomes) @ 4.04
    19 84.5% russian (hgdp) + 15.5% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 4.05
    20 66.1% russian (behar) + 33.9% utahn-white (1000genomes) @

    PuntDNAL K10:
    82.2% Estonian + 17.8% North_Ossetian @ 3.89
    2 85.3% Estonian + 14.7% Abkhasian @ 4.01
    3 81.3% Estonian + 18.7% Kumyk @ 4.15
    4 80.7% Estonian + 19.3% Chechen @ 4.16
    5 85.4% Estonian + 14.6% Georgian @ 4.19
    6 88% Belarusian + 12% Nogai @ 4.26
    7 80.3% Lithuanian + 19.7% Turkish_Aydin @ 4.36
    8 94.8% Belarusian + 5.2% Cambodian @ 4.38
    9 95.2% Belarusian + 4.8% Vietnamese @ 4.39
    10 85.1% Estonian + 14.9% Iranian @ 4.41
    11 81.8% Estonian + 18.2% Lezgin @ 4.42
    12 95.2% Belarusian + 4.8% Han_Chinese @ 4.46
    13 83.7% Estonian + 16.3% Turkish_Kayseri @ 4.46
    14 84.6% Estonian + 15.4% Kurdish @ 4.51
    15 85.1% Estonian + 14.9% Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.52
    16 85.8% Estonian + 14.2% Armenian @ 4.55
    17 82% Estonian + 18% Turkish_Aydin @ 4.56
    18 89.8% Belarusian + 10.2% North_Ossetian @ 4.57
    19 91.8% Belarusian + 8.2% Hazara @ 4.6
    20 88.9% Belarusian + 11.1% Chechen

    PuntDNAL K12:
    95.3% Scottish_West + 4.7% Yakut @ 1.26
    2 94.8% Scottish_West + 5.2% Dolgan @ 1.29
    3 94.5% Scottish_West + 5.5% Tuvinian @ 1.33
    4 93.8% Scottish_West + 6.2% Altaian @ 1.41
    5 92.7% Norwegian + 7.3% Altaian @ 1.66
    6 93.6% Norwegian + 6.4% Tuvinian @ 1.75
    7 94.6% Norwegian + 5.4% Yakut @ 1.8
    8 96.4% Scottish_West + 3.6% Nganasan @ 1.81
    9 94.4% Scottish_West + 5.6% Selkup @ 1.83
    10 93.9% Norwegian + 6.1% Dolgan @ 1.88
    11 81.9% Irish + 18.1% Chuvash @ 2
    12 79.6% English_South + 20.4% Chuvash @ 2.04
    13 94.9% German_North + 5.1% Dolgan @ 2.21
    14 93.4% Norwegian + 6.6% Selkup @ 2.23
    15 95.5% German_North + 4.5% Yakut @ 2.3
    16 94.7% German_North + 5.3% Tuvinian @ 2.3
    17 94.3% German_North + 5.7% Selkup @ 2.34
    18 91.9% Norwegian + 8.1% Hazara @ 2.45
    19 95.9% Norwegian + 4.1% Nganasan @ 2.47
    20 94.1% German_North + 5.9% Altaian

    Puntdnal K13:
    1 72.9% Polish + 27.1% Tatar @ 3.96
    2 82.3% Estonian + 17.7% Nogay @ 4.05
    3 67.5% Estonian + 32.5% Tatar @ 4.21
    4 82.5% Belarusian + 17.5% Aluet @ 4.28
    5 76% Mordovian + 24% Norwegian @ 4.35
    6 90.8% Russian + 9.2% Colombian @ 4.5
    7 75.8% Mordovian + 24.2% Swedish @ 4.53
    8 83.6% Mordovian + 16.4% Scottish @ 4.54
    9 60.6% Mordovian + 39.4% Belarusian @ 4.54
    10 83% Mordovian + 17% Irish @ 4.57
    11 83.8% Mordovian + 16.2% Orcadian @ 4.59
    12 72.8% Mordovian + 27.2% Ukrainian @ 4.59
    13 80.5% Lithuanian + 19.5% Nogay @ 4.6
    14 79.2% Mordovian + 20.8% German_North @ 4.61
    15 89% Polish + 11% Afghan_Hazara @ 4.61
    16 81% Belarusian + 19% Tatar @ 4.63
    17 92.6% Polish + 7.4% Eskimo @ 4.64
    18 83.4% Mordovian + 16.6% Utahn_European @ 4.64
    19 84.3% Estonian + 15.7% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 4.64
    20 93.3% Russian + 6.7% Mexican @ 4.66

    Puntdnal K15:
    51% Polish + 49% Russian @ 3.05
    2 61% Russian + 39% Swedish @ 3.1
    3 69.2% Russian + 30.8% North_German @ 3.1
    4 67.6% Russian + 32.4% Norwegian @ 3.11
    5 56.4% Polish + 43.6% Karelian @ 3.14
    6 72.5% Russian + 27.5% Scottish @ 3.17
    7 55.9% Karelian + 44.1% Swedish @ 3.25
    8 62.9% Karelian + 37.1% Norwegian @ 3.26
    9 64.8% Karelian + 35.2% North_German @ 3.28
    10 74.3% Russian + 25.7% Irish @ 3.28
    11 73.6% Russian + 26.4% Orcadian @ 3.28
    12 75.1% Russian + 24.9% English @ 3.29
    13 68.3% Karelian + 31.7% Scottish @ 3.37
    14 69.3% Karelian + 30.7% Orcadian @ 3.45
    15 79.7% Russian + 20.3% Utahn_White @ 3.46
    16 69.4% Belarusian + 30.6% North_German @ 3.47
    17 82.4% Belarusian + 17.6% French @ 3.47
    18 82.1% Belarusian + 17.9% Serbian @ 3.47
    19 73.9% Russian + 26.1% Austrian @ 3.48
    20 71% Karelian + 29% English @ 3.48

    Gedrosia K12:
    1 85.1% Norwegian + 14.9% Turks_Balikesir @ 3.47
    2 85.3% Norwegian + 14.7% Turks_Aydin @ 3.72
    3 85.8% Norwegian + 14.2% Uzbek @ 3.92
    4 84.5% Norwegian + 15.5% Turks_Istanbul @ 3.95
    5 85.7% Norwegian + 14.3% Turkmen_Afghan @ 3.98
    6 89.8% Norwegian + 10.2% Adygei @ 4.16
    7 91% Norwegian + 9% Abkhasian @ 4.19
    8 87.1% Norwegian + 12.9% Tajik_Afghan @ 4.24
    9 87.5% Norwegian + 12.5% Turks_Kayseri @ 4.29
    10 91.2% Norwegian + 8.8% Georgian @ 4.3
    11 90% Norwegian + 10% Turks_Trabzon @ 4.43
    12 87.6% Norwegian + 12.4% Turks_Adana @ 4.53
    13 88.8% Norwegian + 11.2% Iranian @ 4.66
    14 87.5% Norwegian + 12.5% Uzbek_Afghan @ 4.67
    15 87.5% Norwegian + 12.5% Kurds_N @ 4.68
    16 88.7% Norwegian + 11.3% Armenian @ 4.69
    17 88.1% Norwegian + 11.9% Kurds_E @ 4.82
    18 87.6% Norwegian + 12.4% Kurds_C @ 4.92
    19 88.2% Norwegian + 11.8% Kurds_F @ 4.94
    20 89.4% Norwegian + 10.6% Assyrian

    Gedrosia Ancient Eurasia K6:
    1 62.3% Russian + 37.7% Basque @ 1
    2 63.9% Finnish + 36.1% Spanish @ 1.35
    3 66.7% Turkish + 33.3% WHG @ 1.37
    4 66.7% Turkish + 33.3% Hungarian_KO1 @ 1.37
    5 53.6% Finnish + 46.4% French @ 1.65
    6 77% Finnish + 23% Sardinian @ 1.69
    7 95.5% Icelandic + 4.5% Mongola @ 1.71
    8 95.8% Icelandic + 4.2% Dai @ 1.72
    9 95.7% Icelandic + 4.3% Han @ 1.73
    10 95.7% Icelandic + 4.3% Ami @ 1.74
    11 95.7% Icelandic + 4.3% Ulchi @ 1.75
    12 95.4% Icelandic + 4.6% Tibetan @ 1.87
    13 94.8% Icelandic + 5.2% Kalmyk @ 1.88
    14 95.5% Icelandic + 4.5% Nganasan @ 1.93
    15 93.9% Icelandic + 6.1% Kyrgyz @ 2.01
    16 95.1% Icelandic + 4.9% Cambodian @ 2.02
    17 94.3% Icelandic + 5.7% Altaian @ 2.05
    18 62.9% Finnish + 37.1% Basque @ 2.06
    19 82.1% Finnish + 17.9% Europe_EN @ 2.14
    20 94.9% Icelandic + 5.1% Sherpa


    Should I just disregard all the calculators that are calling me German, Scottish, English, etc and just pretend I didnt see them? Or should I search for Western European origins?

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    yet another calculator suggesting i have western euro ancestry

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    Boom, half scottish again. Happens every fucking time. Seriously I feel like my whole life was a lie now

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    Could it be that you have Volga German ancestry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    Could it be that you have Volga German ancestry?
    Very very unlikely. My mothers side is from Rural villages in south Vyatka region, Germans never settled there.
    The only ancestor from volga on my father's side that I know of is a confirmed Moksha (She identified as moksha and spoke moksha)

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    Or maybe German from your Ukrainian side? If there is such ancestry, I recommend checking out your matches.

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    My second closest match (the first one is a relative I know)
    https://c.radikal.ru/c28/2110/8b/c410502263cd.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by al.Krivich View Post
    My second closest match (the first one is a relative I know)
    https://c.radikal.ru/c28/2110/8b/c410502263cd.jpg
    Also alot of Scottish mercenaries in the service of Peter the Great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by al.Krivich View Post
    Should I just disregard all the calculators that are calling me German, Scottish, English, etc and just pretend I didnt see them?
    Yes, Eurogenes k13 and K15 are the only oracles on gedmatch which take the calculator effect into account.

    Most of the others don't even differentiante between western and eastern Europeans, and they have calculator effect on top of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bce View Post
    Yes, Eurogenes k13 and K15 are the only oracles on gedmatch which take the calculator effect into account.

    Most of the others don't even differentiante between western and eastern Europeans, and they have calculator effect on top of that.
    But even on Eurogenes k13, I have 10.5% west med, whereas all Russian groups average about 7%

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