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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    Could very well be from one of these continental source samples and not from Britain. We'll have to wait and see.
    It’s looks like it’s French beaker like individuals (mostly female) that we should be looking for. They clearly will have mostly come from the channel coast or major river mouth zone between the Rhine and Loire

    Though I do recall an older paper about the Thanet site (which i believe is the same as cliff edge farm of this paper) found an individual who was consider Iberian like and i’d guess might have come along the Atlantic network from there or perhaps the Vendee area of France which was particularly strongly connected to western Iberia c. 1150-950 or so. That old paper also mentioned nordic like individuals who i giess could have been from the coast east of the Rhine somewhere. All that made it look like the site was a late bronze age trade node or emporia.

    I’m not sure why people are going on about urnfield because it had barely reached the zone England was mostly interacting with 1150-900BC, except around the Rhine itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beaugrandjacques View Post
    Simply download the file and open it with a plain text editor.

    I downloaded a plain text editor for my five year old chromebook and when it reads the .fastq.gz file or the .bam file all that pops up is tons and tons of lines with strange symbols everywhere. I don’t see any text regarding chromosomes, base pair locations, reads, etc. Any suggestions? I’m a technological Neanderthal so layman terms please.
    I1 > I-FT213710

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    It’s looks like it’s French beaker like individuals (mostly female) that we should be looking for. They clearly will have mostly come from the channel coast or major river mouth zone between the Rhine and Loire though I do recall an older paper about the Thanet site (which i believe is the same as cliff edge farm of this paper) found an individual who was consider Iberian like and i’d guess might have come along the Atlantic network from there or perhaps the Vendee area of France which was particularly strongly connected to western Iberia c. 1150-950 or so. That old paper also mentioned nordic like individuals who i giess could have been from the coast east of the Rhine somewhere. All that made it look like the site was a late bronze age trade node or emporia.

    I’m not sure why people are going on about urnfield because it had barely reached the zone England was mostly interacting with 1150-900BC, except around the Rhine itself.
    Here the Dutch IA along the basic three:



    Most of the IA samples have a higher EEF than BB Dutch. By the way Tumulus Lech had almost 60% EEF so this is a possible other source than the Atlantic facade.

    Well when we look at the Dutch IA, we see that the Zeeland sample, with 40% EEF is, geographical, in fact a Western Gaul/ Belgae. May be there is a Atlantic connection at stake?

    The most "Irish like" are Aak (the 'North Sea Celt') from West Friesland and a Nijmegen sample, though they are quit moderate in EEF. Nevertheless it would be quite odd if there would no connection between England and those samples because Aak lived at a river that mounds in the North Sea right across England (in non Brexit times!!).

    Nijmegen and the Nijmegen samples are "hotspot" La Tene:
    https://mijngelderland.nl/inhoud/can...rivierengebied
    Through the Rhine connected also with England.

    I think that in the Dutch IA case it's not one size fits all difference influences are possible: Atlantic in Zeeland, Hoogkarspel (Tumulus/Urnfield) in Noord Holland and the La Tene hotspot in Nijmegen.

    I think someone must almost have blinders to neglect the possible influences of it on the Isles....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Can you give me hint as to where the two DF19>Y6234 guys (I26830 and I17607) are hiding?
    It looks that they are from the Steppe because they plot in the crowded area near Ukrainian_Rivne.
     
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    I18719 (CTS10228) looks 37.5% Baltic and the rest Roman. Like some South Slav strongly mixed with Balkan Roman population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    It looks that they are from the Steppe because they plot in the crowded area near Ukrainian_Rivne.
    Are they in the illegible smashed up bit below Ukraine Rivne? I still don't see them.

    If so, I26831 (off to the left a bit), I26830 and I26828 are all sort of clustered. I wonder if they are burials from the same site?

    Edit: Check this out:

    DF19s:
    Distance to: Celtic_paper:I17607
    0.03069207 Shetlandic
    0.03271378 Irish
    0.03351587 Scottish
    0.03370609 Danish
    0.03384753 Norwegian
    0.03465100 Orcadian


    Distance to: Celtic_paper:I26830
    0.02167086 Norwegian
    0.02315873 Danish
    0.02348276 Icelandic
    0.02369412 Swedish
    0.02537335 Dutch
    0.02594838 Irish

    Two other samples adjacent to I26830 in numbering and maybe from similar site?

    Distance to: Celtic_paper:I26831
    0.02745980 Shetlandic
    0.02761693 Norwegian
    0.02880071 Danish
    0.02909410 Swedish
    0.02921756 Dutch
    0.03040292 Welsh

    Distance to: Celtic_paper:I26828
    0.01620592 Icelandic
    0.01671568 Orcadian
    0.01847559 Scottish
    0.01894479 Irish
    0.01917608 Swedish
    0.01926860 Danish
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    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Are they in the illegible smashed up bit below Ukraine Rivne? I still don't see them.

    If so, I26831 (off to the left a bit), I26830 and I26828 are all sort of clustered. I wonder if they are burials from the same site?
    I also don't see them, because they are very similar and plot one over the other ( I can see them in R when plotted with diffrent colors).
    But they are closest to modern Nordics.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    I18719 (CTS10228) looks 37.5% Baltic and the rest Roman. Like some South Slav strongly mixed with Balkan Roman population.


    Hello ph2ter,

    Would you mind doing one for 116453?

    Celtic_paper:I16453,0.146832,0.125926,0.072784,0.0 5168,0.036622,0.029562,0.00987,-0.003461,-0.004909,-0.019317,0.004872,0.008992,-0.002676,-0.001239,0.022258,-0.009679,-0.003129,0.011655,-0.010684,0.018884,0.01148,0.007543,-0.001109,-0.005181,-0.006466


    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Hello ph2ter,

    Would you mind doing one for 116453?

    Celtic_paper:I16453,0.146832,0.125926,0.072784,0.0 5168,0.036622,0.029562,0.00987,-0.003461,-0.004909,-0.019317,0.004872,0.008992,-0.002676,-0.001239,0.022258,-0.009679,-0.003129,0.011655,-0.010684,0.018884,0.01148,0.007543,-0.001109,-0.005181,-0.006466


    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    Slavic admixed Germanic man.

    If you mind how would Aak plot Ph2ter?
    Thanks in advance!
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