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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    Are there more? What is the context of the Nijmegen guy that plots like a Swede??? It looks a bit out of place.
    That's indeed intriguing, I had my focus on the West Frisians but these one is interesting, he has a quite high "Yamna" in the basic three (EEF, WHG, Yamna). He is absolutely from a La Tene context. I will have a look. And there were two from Nijmegen (surrounding) indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    There are no L238 nor DF99 samples at all so far, so perhaps not a comprehensive analysis of all regions of continental Europe.
    I found sample I19869 listed as R-Y22144, which is downstream of DF99, however, it might be best to cross check with Alex's analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    @Pribislav

    Does I16436 have anything more than simple L621?
    I16436 has really low coverage, and actually has no derived SNPs at L621 level, since CTS7213 is one level above L621.


    CTS7213 level: CTS7213+ A>G (1G);

    CTS7213>L621 level: S13737- A>G (1A); Y4792/FGC30457- C>T (1C); Y3112/FGC30451- G>C (1G)

    CTS7213>FT376000 level: *no calls*


    He could belong to FT376000, in which case he would most likely be from French Neolithic. We already have at least one Neolithic sample in that clade:

    PEN003; 5480-5337 BC; Pendimoun, Alpes-Maritimes; France; France_EN_PEN_A; I2a1a2-M423>Y3104>CTS7213>FT376000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    Are there more? What is the context of the Nijmegen guy that plots like a Swede??? It looks a bit out of place.
    This is at least their G25 North Europe and NW Europe plot, the 'other' from Nijmegen plots close to Aak :




    Last edited by Finn; 11-08-2021 at 06:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Net Down G5L View Post
    P312 and U106 samples

    Our absolute hero, Alex *superstar* Williamson, is working his socks off doing manual checking of samples that relate to his Ytree.

    A massive BIG THANK YOU to Alex, who has offered to share his "working document" with us as he refines the automated calling results.

    Alex says, "It's still very much a work in progress. Consider it a working document, rather than a finished presentation document. The column labelled 'Alex' has my best downstream branch so far. There is also a column with male/female analysis based on the ratio of X to Y chromosome reads that might be useful"

    You can download the latest file from:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
    Great! Just great!

    Alex has I16440 as R-Z142->R-S7402->R-Y3140->R-Y9080->R-FGC12384

    Which is my line!

    Formation date of 1172 BC on Alex's site

    I'm sure my hopes will be dashed yet again!

    EDIT: I totally missed that this was called FGC12384 before in this post https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post812521
    but it has also been called : T2c1d-a
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 11-08-2021 at 06:14 PM.
    Y DNA line continued: Z142>Z12222>FGC12378>FGC12401>FGC12384
    35% English, 15% Scottish, 14% Welsh, 14% German, 11% Ulster Scot, 5% Ireland, 3% Scandinavian, 2% French/Dutch, 1% India
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    Quote Originally Posted by Webb View Post
    I found sample I19869 listed as R-Y22144, which is downstream of DF99, however, it might be best to cross check with Alex's analysis.
    It appears that on Alex's chart, 119869 is listed as a female. Do you have that number right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    It appears that on Alex's chart, 119869 is listed as a female. Do you have that number right?
    I am glad you crosschecked the sample. It is the correct number, but the confidence rate is only 16%. I found 31 DF27 calls on teepean47's list, and the next thing for me to do is check Alex's calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Great! Just great!

    Alex has I16440 as R-Z142->R-S7402->R-Y3140->R-Y9080->R-FGC12384

    Which is my line!

    Formation date of 1172 BC on Alex's site

    I'm sure my hopes will be dashed yet again!

    EDIT: I totally missed that this was called FGC12384 before in this post https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post812521
    but it has also been called : T2c1d-a
    You have to keep going to the right of his sheet. He has tentatively called it P312+, U106-. The second column from the left is what he downloaded from the controlc.com site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pylsteen View Post
    Are there more? What is the context of the Nijmegen guy that plots like a Swede??? It looks a bit out of place.
    A paper, even with "one of the Nijmegen guys" pictured on the front page! (thanks to Epoch)
    https://studenttheses.universiteitle...3A2607845/view
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    A paper, even with "one of Nijmegen the guys" pictured on the front page! (thanks to Epoch)
    https://studenttheses.universiteitle...3A2607845/view
    Conclusion about the context of these Nijmegen samples, google translate:

    6.6. Sub-conclusion
    There are many similarities between the burials in the Dutchriver area, and those in the Marne-Moselle region. Notable are the position of the body (stretched on the back), the appearance of burial mounds and long beds, the fact that children are underrepresented in the grave file, the presence of double graves and last but not least: the grave goods. The grave goods sets are particularly similar with regard to the jewellery, but the northern French Marne pottery has also been found in the river area.
    However, it is also clear that there are differences between the two regions. Certain elements from the Marne-Moselle region do not occur in the Netherlands at all. You will hardly find grave goods made of animal material or glass here. It also applies the other way around: pewter and amber beads are more common here than in northern France. Furthermore, there are no secondary burial rituals in the Netherlands, and the clear northwest orientation – which is almost always used in France – can only be seen in a few cases in the Netherlands.
    It seems that the burial ritual in the Dutch river area was indeed influenced by the use in the Marne-Moselle region. It is currently difficult to say whether this was a question of immigrants or takeover by the local population: one does not have to exclude the other. Perhaps this is a mixture of immigration and readmission. Certain elements from northern French usage have been adopted, certain elements have been omitted. Some elements have also been adapted: for example, not all individuals in the river area are laid out stretched out on their backs – others are placed on their stomach or side, for example. In addition, some influences from Hunsrück-Eifel-Kultur can also be seen (the use of burial mounds and long beds, and the appearance of certain jewellery).
    Not Germanic speaking guys and girls I guess....
    Last edited by Finn; 11-09-2021 at 07:59 AM.

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