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    Quote Originally Posted by LesPoilus View Post
    Could you please add the 4 French_South-East_IA and DA111 Bylany?
    DA111 is already on the plot.
    I don't have CvsG values of French_South-East_IA samples.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    UMAP cannot show where are you in reference to the West-East axis. It will put you sometimes west, sometimes east, but in reference to the samples around you, not in reference to the West-East..
    Which is why I said would be, but there are still some more inconsistencies for instance EMC is mostly Italian but doesn't have any Italian sample near him, there's a South French surrounded by no French, a Portuguese surrounded by Auvergnats, and so on and so forth. I really like CvG, but when used as a PCA rather than anything else. This isn't meant as a criticism to you ph2ter, just the algorithm itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Which is why I said would be, but there are still some more inconsistencies for instance EMC is mostly Italian but doesn't have any Italian sample near him, there's a South French surrounded by no French, a Portuguese surrounded by Auvergnats, and so on and so forth. I really like CvG, but when used as a PCA rather than anything else. This isn't meant as a criticism to you ph2ter, just the algorithm itself.
    You want an ideal situation. Something like that you can never get, even in PCA.
    EMC is shifted towards South France and Spain in G25 too.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph2ter View Post
    You want an ideal situation. Something like that you can never get, even in PCA.
    EMC is shifted towards South France and Spain in G25 too.
    I don't want anything, I'm just pointing out issues or inconsistencies so people don't take things at face value.
    EMC plots with north Italians, which is what most of his ancestry is (part-Portuguese, but part-Tuscan as well)
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    I ran the Finn/Jadegreg model with the the Merovingian cemetery samples from Alt-Inden, which the authors argue provide "the first insight into the population structure of the Frankish kingdom and [point] at genetic continuity and homogeneity across France and western Germany from the Iron Age until the Early Middle Ages" (supplement, pp. 77-78). Finn and WÔldpykjong argue persuasively that Netherlands/Germany IA isn't the same as CNE, but rather some kind of an intermediary between France IA and CNE (with some overlap)--if I've followed correctly. Nonetheless, it's striking how much CNE-like ancestry some of these guys have--IND013 has very little France IA-like ancestry--while many have little to no CNE-like ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lehmannt View Post
    I ran the Finn/Jadegreg model with the the Merovingian cemetery samples from Alt-Inden, which the authors argue "provide the first insight into the population structure of the Frankish kingdom and [point] at genetic continuity and homogeneity across France and western Germany from the Iron Age until the Early Middle Ages" (supplement, pp. 77-78). Finn and WÔldpykjong argue persuasively that Netherlands/Germany IA isn't the same as CNE, but rather some kind of intermediary between France IA and CNE (with some overlap)--if I've followed correctly. Nonetheless, it's striking how much CNE-like ancestry some of these guys have--IND013 has very little France IA-like ancestry--while many have little to no CNE-like ancestry.
    12 to 17 samples have a lot French_IA-like ancestry...Some up to 100%...Cant't believe it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesPoilus View Post
    12 to 17 samples have a lot French_IA-like ancestry...Some up to 100%...Cant't believe it...
    The model is lacking more southern references, I don't think it works at all for some/many in this case. I'm sure Angles would say it doesn't work at all for any sample
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    I was about to say, models for Northeast French/Swiss-South German types would benefit from a "Roman" reference, not including it inflates France IA and deflates CNE, but honestly I don't know which samples to reccomend, you could find something that works for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    The model is lacking more southern references, I don't think it works at all for some/many in this case. I'm sure Angles would say it doesn't work at all for every sample
    "provide the first insight into the population structure of the Frankish kingdom and [point] at genetic continuity and homogeneity across France and western Germany from the Iron Age until the Early Middle Ages"
    Is that quote really accurate? I can't find the supplementary material pdf.

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    Should come as no surprise that Franks are mostly French_IA as the term France originated with the Franks

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