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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Question.....reflection.....

    Note especially the Fenlands (Peterborough/ Leicester/Cambridge etc), here you will find people with the same ancestors, are related to each other, early modern, pre-industrial period.


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    In my opinion, we are then left with two 'tastes':
    1. In the early Middle Ages, Fenland and the Northern Netherlands were tapped from the same source in terms of population.
    2. The Frisians invaded the Fenlands in the full Middle Ages.

    ad2 hithertho unknown .....makes 1 most likely. OR?????
    Or more recent migration (XVII/XVIIIth centuries). It could be inderesting to pin point where manufactories were. Industrialisation was a vector of arrival from Low Countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    Or more recent migration (XVII/XVIIIth centuries). It could be inderesting to pin point where manufactories were. Industrialisation was a vector of arrival from Low Countries.
    Yes some of it could be more recent. There was Dutch migration into the area of the Wash in the 1500s which is fairly close to the hotspots on Finns map.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wash

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    Or more recent migration (XVII/XVIIIth centuries). It could be inderesting to pin point where manufactories were. Industrialisation was a vector of arrival from Low Countries.
    Good remark, thanks.

    But I doubt that because this is explicit the pre-industrial period (at least 1600-1750).

    And the Fenlands were more rural not frontrunner in the industrialisation, it is almost an area that can be compared with the Northern Netherlands themselves....
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglecynn View Post
    Yes some of it could be more recent. There was Dutch migration into the area of the Wash in the 1500s which is fairly close to the hotspots on Finns map.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wash
    Merci, it would not be exceptional if the North Dutch, with knowledge of dykes and waterways went to other parts of Europe. But in the reference to wiki I can't find it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Good remark, thanks.

    But I doubt that because this is explicit the pre-industrial period (at least 1600-1750).

    And the Fenlands were more rural not frontrunner in the industrialisation, it is almost an area that can be compared with the Northern Netherlands themselves....
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fens
    Industrialisation began in the 1600 in England.

    And I don’t see The Fens but West Midlands and Norwich (with its walloon church).
    Last edited by ffoucart; 01-13-2022 at 12:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    Industrialisation began in the 1600 in England.
    I guess proto....and not in the Fens.

    But I found it!!!

    Because of a number of devastating floods in the provinces of Zeeland and Holland in the 12th century, large numbers of farmers migrated to The Wash in England,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_diaspora

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    Yes, If you like. I tend to think that industrialization must include agricultural revolution:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...ral_Revolution

    But Proto-industrialization is a more common view, even if we should include Flanders since the XIIIth century, and Low Countries later, before England much much later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffoucart View Post
    Yes, If you like. I tend to think that industrialization must include agricultural revolution:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis...ral_Revolution

    But Proto-industrialization is a more common view, even if we should include Flanders since the XIIIth century, and Low Countries later, before England much much later.
    The coastal Dutch area was frontrunner in this respect....
    https://ottoknot.home.xs4all.nl/werk...en&Farmers.pdf
    Last edited by Finn; 01-13-2022 at 07:57 PM.

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    Do we know when the Angles stopped coming to England from their homeland? Only thing I could find is that their homeland was deserted in the 730s, and began to be occupied by Danes in the 800s.

    So somewhere between the 500s and 730s. Just wondering if anyone ran across something more specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    The coastal Dutch area was frontrunner in this respect....
    https://ottoknot.home.xs4all.nl/werk...en&Farmers.pdf
    Well, as I said, proto-industrialisation began in Flanders in the XIIIth century.
    https://www.persee.fr/doc/rbph_0035-..._num_81_4_4777

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